Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 29

Thread: CA may cancel smog exemption for old cars

  1. #1
    Blind_Io's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 5th, 2006
    Location
    Utah, USA
    Posts
    19,322
    Car(s)
    06 Nissan XTerra Off Road, 00 VFR800, 07 ST1300
    Rep Power
    681

    CA may cancel smog exemption for old cars

    http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/31/c...pre-1976-cars/

    In California, home of the strictest car emissions regulations in the U.S., cars produced before 1976 do not need to undergo smog testing. California State Senator Dean Florez has proposed legislation that would remove that exemption for cars registered in the San Joaquin Valley Unified Air Pollution Control District.

    What would that mean if it were passed into law? It would mean that as of January 1, 2009, any car registered in a rather large swathe of central California -- from the 1974 Maverick to the 1929 Model A -- would need to pass every current and future smog test. If it didn't, it couldn't be driven.

    It is theorized that the move comes because state authorities have missed their air quality goals and are now looking at targeting a tiny fraction of cars. Living in LA, we can't speak for Central California, but most of the pre-1976 vehicles we see here sound and run better than the glut of 80's Toyotas puttering down the streets. What vintage car owners fear is that if the legislation becomes law in the San Joaquin Valley, then it's only a matter of time before it gets adopted everywhere.
    Say goodbye to all those beautiful classic cars for which California is known. This almost makes me want to cry after seeing a '57 and '56 Bel Aire convertible, two '57 Tbirds and assorted hot rods this weekend.
    ____________________________

    No trees were killed in the transmission of this message;
    but a stupendous number of photons and electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


  2. #2
    Little Nudger BlaRo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 18th, 2005
    Location
    "Los Angeles," which is Spanish for "The Angeles"
    Posts
    17,281
    Car(s)
    2000 Mazda Miata, 2013 Moto Guzzi V7 Special
    Rep Power
    1161
    Because we all know that all those hundreds of old cars are REALLY making an impact on global warming, right?

    Your state sucks.
    ____________________________
    SERIOUS AUTOMOTIVE JOURNALISM

  3. #3
    avanti's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 21st, 2005
    Location
    Milano, Italia
    Posts
    6,042
    Car(s)
    6 cars + 6 bikes
    Rep Power
    215
    This is bullshit, the cars in question are barely noticeable on the "pollution radar", surely the vintage car owners of California have enough money and influence to prevent this! Arnold will put his foot down!
    ____________________________
    ||||||||||||||| Ride, Eat, Sleep, Repeat.

  4. #4
    Hormone Induced BerserkerCatSplat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 21st, 2005
    Location
    Alberta, Canada
    Posts
    8,630
    Car(s)
    The Jeep of Theseus
    Rep Power
    172
    This, coming from a sate that actually caused a form of Direct Exhaust Injection to be implemented? Piss off!
    ____________________________
    OSPhoto

  5. #5
    rides with Rebecca Black.. in the back thedguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 18th, 2004
    Location
    Orange California
    Posts
    9,006
    Car(s)
    (OO=[][]=OO)
    Rep Power
    155


    I heard about this a few days back, needless to say I'm unhappy.

    California would be fucking stupid to completely alienate classic cars, it's a major part of the states economy (nearly every after-market parts manufacturer in the US is there, plus most of the hot rod shops).

    If this somehow passes I, along with a large number of hot rodders, will be severely fucking pissed off. Nearly all the cars that are exempt never had to meet the regulations before, what will guys who own restored classics do? What regulations exactly will they have to meet, the regs for the latest small hatch, or just the 1980's regulations?

    Thing is most of the old cars are rarely driven, except back and forth to car shows, the few of us that do what to drive them on a daily basis are more than accounted for by the Poius driver.

    The only saving grace is it's in the farm/wine country and that it apparently is being championed by a bit of a kook. But we all know the slippery slope issue which is what is feared.
    Last edited by thedguy; March 31st, 2008 at 7:23 PM.

  6. #6
    jetsetter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 11th, 2005
    Location
    Serenìsima Repùblica de California
    Posts
    7,258
    Car(s)
    1997 BMW 528i
    Rep Power
    59
    If this goes through I will be fucking pissed off.
    ____________________________
    "I saw myself founding a new religion, marching
    into Asia riding an elephant, a turban on my
    head and in my hands the new Koran I would
    have written to suit my needs." - Napoléon Bonaparte

    "More than 60,000 Germans fell, not beneath the
    Roman arms and weapons, but, grander far,
    before our delighted eyes. May the tribes, I pray,
    ever retain if not love for us, at least hatred for
    each other; for while the destinies of empire bear
    hard upon us, fortune can give no greater boon
    than discord among our foes." - Germania, Tacitus

  7. #7
    amdforever's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 15th, 2005
    Posts
    679
    Rep Power
    20
    Tell environmentalists to go fuck themselves.

    Sorry, I just have to swear whenever I see news like this. It makes me angry.

  8. #8
    Coppin' a feel watisdis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 8th, 2006
    Location
    Over the Hills and Far Away
    Posts
    921
    Rep Power
    22
    It is theorized that the move comes because state authorities have missed their air quality goals and are now looking at targeting a tiny fraction of cars.
    These bureaucratic fucks failed to achive their impossible (read: asinine) goals, so now vintage car enthusiasts are the ones who will have to pay. As someone already pointed out, since it's a big part of the culture/economy, I'm hoping it'll get shot down faster than a foreign air force entering US airspace.
    ____________________________
    "That said, I believe going forward that the world is going to be full of these nasty, difficult, unclear conflicts that are going to be energized by poverty, by stateless borders, and by the proliferation of state-like weapons in the hands of organizations that are not in and of themselves states. Typically in the past, these kinds of weapons could only be afforded by states, by countries. Now they will be used on battlefields by rebels, by rogue organizations, even by criminal gangs." - General James F. Amos, the 35th Commandant of the United States Marine Corps

  9. #9
    tigger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 11th, 2006
    Location
    Kansas City
    Posts
    5,213
    Car(s)
    '86 Volvo 245
    Rep Power
    124
    Quote Originally Posted by watisdis View Post
    These bureaucratic fucks failed to achive their impossible (read: asinine) goals, so now vintage car enthusiasts are the ones who will have to pay.
    Nevermind that taking all pre-smog cars off the streets of California would have a negligible, (if even calculable) effect on air quality. Nope, the politicians need a scape goat to appease the legions of whining hippies. Damnit this shit makes me mad.

  10. #10
    rides with Rebecca Black.. in the back thedguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 18th, 2004
    Location
    Orange California
    Posts
    9,006
    Car(s)
    (OO=[][]=OO)
    Rep Power
    155
    I'd like to quote No Boss here:

    URGE TO KILL RISING!

  11. #11
    Zuhaib's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 11th, 2003
    Location
    San Francisco, CA
    Posts
    854
    Car(s)
    07 VW GTI, 06 S500, 05 HD Softail
    Rep Power
    26
    Quote Originally Posted by Blind_Io View Post
    http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/31/c...pre-1976-cars/



    Say goodbye to all those beautiful classic cars for which California is known. This almost makes me want to cry after seeing a '57 and '56 Bel Aire convertible, two '57 Tbirds and assorted hot rods this weekend.
    Hold on, it was just a few years back that the governor signed in to law the whole exemption to older cars made before 1976 (removing the old system that cars after 30 years of age did not apply), so for a county to just reverse it would be trumped by the state law (if taken to court I would assume). The 1976 law made some sense as you expect modern classics will have some semblance of smog control, but to apply it to all cars is just stupid as the % of them on the road is so small.
    ____________________________
    I am Pakistani And No! I do not own a 7/11! And my NAME is not Apu!
    "MPG describes riding like biology describes Sex" -- Harley Davidson Ad


    Zuhaib's Blog

  12. #12
    is awesome! phuckingduck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 1st, 2007
    Location
    Seattle, WA, USA
    Posts
    3,014
    Car(s)
    '03 Volvo S60 AWD
    Rep Power
    41
    The law would be overturned. There's a very well defined area in which local laws can supersede state and federal laws and regulations. $20 says this law would be tossed out by the first judge who sees an appeal after it passes.

    An a personal note: If WA ever tried to pass this law I'd picket in front of my representatives office with a sign welded out of the mufflers of nasty mid-80's Toyotas that spew un-burnt gas and blue clouds of oil because their hippy ass owners are unwilling to get them tuned up by a proper mechanic.
    ____________________________
    If only I could be PhuckingGoose

  13. #13
    THGL's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 6th, 2005
    Location
    Louisville, KY USA
    Posts
    1,101
    Car(s)
    Jeep Grand Cherokee (WJ) Limited
    Rep Power
    53
    I'm sure Jay Leno is mighty pissed about this. It would make his entire collection of "rolling art" into "just plain art."

    California: Land of Fruits & Nuts
    ____________________________
    "I was sad because I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no feet. So I said, ‘Got any shoes you're not using?’

  14. #14
    SoxXpupPeT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 24th, 2005
    Location
    Yonkers, NY
    Posts
    1,002
    Car(s)
    82' Impala, 94' Z28
    Rep Power
    19
    california can lick my ass and eat my shit. i hope the rest of the US doesnt become this smug about everything. ill have to kill someone
    ____________________________

  15. #15
    Blind_Io's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 5th, 2006
    Location
    Utah, USA
    Posts
    19,322
    Car(s)
    06 Nissan XTerra Off Road, 00 VFR800, 07 ST1300
    Rep Power
    681
    I just talked to my brother (vacationing in Ireland before his deployment). His words: "California can slurp shit and die."

    Ahh, the eloquence of the infantry.
    ____________________________

    No trees were killed in the transmission of this message;
    but a stupendous number of photons and electrons were terribly inconvenienced.


  16. #16
    Disco Inferno KaJuN's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 31st, 2006
    Location
    American in Ukania
    Age
    28
    Posts
    9,310
    Car(s)
    Laguna, Landy Series III 88", Vulcan 900 Custom
    Rep Power
    663
    This will do a lot of good for the earth with all the new emissions checking going on here. Oh wait a minute! Ohio did away with emissions checks a few years ago. So what's the point of one state being strict when others couldn't care less?
    ____________________________


    Top Gear
    [18x04]...I was there!

    "You shouldn't drive crappy cars, and you shouldn't drink crappy beer." - Eric Tingwall - Automobile Magazine

  17. #17
    rides with Rebecca Black.. in the back thedguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 18th, 2004
    Location
    Orange California
    Posts
    9,006
    Car(s)
    (OO=[][]=OO)
    Rep Power
    155
    Quote Originally Posted by KaJuN View Post
    This will do a lot of good for the earth with all the new emissions checking going on here. Oh wait a minute! Ohio did away with emissions checks a few years ago. So what's the point of one state being strict when others couldn't care less?
    Because California regulations aren't about Global warming, they are about clean air in the state. They want the shit that makes the sky brown and orange gone, because of the geography of the state it's a pain in the ass to get rid of, especially for the San Joaquin valley. This is also why california has a practical ban on diesels, they may be great for global warming compared to gas, but for clean breathable air that doesn't cause cancer or turn the sky brown (thanks to NOx), not so much.

    The air comes in off the coast and pushes all the smog into the valleys (and thats what most of California is) and the smog just sits with no where to go. I believe Greece has the same problem, which is why they have such bad smog as well. Ohio gets the winds coming from Canada to blow across it's farms and push the shit east, and with a lot more rain and cooler temperatures it keeps the smog at bay... yes I read the page on smog from wikipedia.

    Gotta love LA (just search "smog" in google and see how many pictures of LA come up).
    Last edited by thedguy; April 1st, 2008 at 1:19 AM.

  18. #18
    Crazyjeeper's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 29th, 2006
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Age
    25
    Posts
    7,512
    Car(s)
    XT1200Z, F150, CJ7, GL1000, XR350R, XR650L
    Rep Power
    176
    Ugh, stupid california, thinking that causing classic cars to lose smog exemption will actually effect the air quality. Years ago, when california enacted the crushing of old cars for smog credits deal, HOT ROD rescued a 1967 Chevrolet Camaro that was going to be crushed and smog tested it proving it was clean.

    ATTN CALIFORNIA: FUCK YOU
    ____________________________


    The sky has been falling for decades.

  19. #19
    rides with Rebecca Black.. in the back thedguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 18th, 2004
    Location
    Orange California
    Posts
    9,006
    Car(s)
    (OO=[][]=OO)
    Rep Power
    155
    Quote Originally Posted by Crazyjeeper View Post
    Ugh, stupid california, thinking that causing classic cars to lose smog exemption will actually effect the air quality. Years ago, when california enacted the crushing of old cars for smog credits deal, HOT ROD rescued a 1967 Chevrolet Camaro that was going to be crushed and smog tested it proving it was clean.

    ATTN CALIFORNIA: FUCK YOU
    That program sucks, destroying a lot of nice cars I bet. Thankfully the program only has funding for a limited number of cars.

    What pisses me off most about this is that a huge number of these old cars have newer engines shoved in them that are really clean, even without the cats.

    I heard that Hot Rod toyed with a Camaro that they modified to build more power and while using a carb, no cats, and a PCV valve they were still able to make it meet the then current smog regs (I believe the article was from the early 90's).

  20. #20
    Crazyjeeper's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 29th, 2006
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Age
    25
    Posts
    7,512
    Car(s)
    XT1200Z, F150, CJ7, GL1000, XR350R, XR650L
    Rep Power
    176
    Actually, My Jeep is a perfect example of that. Though it may be registered as a 1985 and appear to be a 1985, the engine is out of a 1998, so when I go get it inspected it usually has something like 1/10 of the emissions a 1985 engine would.
    ____________________________


    The sky has been falling for decades.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Stupid question: Formula 1 cars vs Indy cars
    By janstett in forum Formula 1
    Replies: 20
    Last Post: December 9th, 2007, 2:13 PM
  2. Cars: 1969 Outside, 2006 Inside Updating Classic Cars
    By ishigakisensei in forum General Automotive
    Replies: 23
    Last Post: July 31st, 2006, 4:23 PM
  3. Do roll bars and anti-roll bars cancel each other out?
    By chaos386 in forum Questions & Answers
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: April 2nd, 2006, 11:12 AM
  4. Malaysia under haze....smog
    By freakster_991 in forum Off-Topic
    Replies: 18
    Last Post: August 12th, 2005, 4:11 PM
  5. Forget new cars... lets talk Student Cars
    By DrinkMaster in forum General Automotive
    Replies: 53
    Last Post: March 1st, 2005, 3:22 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •