Dodge Demon: Good news, bad news - Page 2

CapnNismo · January 15th, 2008, 3:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Levin

Chrysler has no RWD small platform.

They do, though, have a FWD that can take 270hp (i.e., Caliber SRT-4).

Tune that puppy and you will serve just about everyone other than hardcore racers, and they just aren't that big a market.

After all, the Mini is FWD yet you see tons of them at track days.

The MazdaSpeed 3 gets great reviews and it's FWD. Same for the Euro Focus ST.

As much as I'm a purist, I can totally understand this decision.

Steve

You're correct. Except that platform's suspension has NO room for adjustment. On the SRT-4 Neons (probably the same on the Caliber) there was no camber adjustment, even with a camber bolt.

Unless they rework the suspension geometry, the Demon will be horrible. RWD or not at all with a small convertible.

Steve Levin · January 15th, 2008, 4:22 PM

okay, now it makes me sad.

They should have just renamed it the Pulsar

Steve

skr · January 15th, 2008, 5:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Levin

Chrysler has no RWD small platform.

They do, though, have a FWD that can take 270hp (i.e., Caliber SRT-4).

According to the latest Road&Track it can't images/smilies/wink.gif

SoxXpupPeT · January 17th, 2008, 2:39 AM

such a shame for such a pretty car

Aiolos · January 17th, 2008, 3:32 AM

Man! I liked this car! What a shame!

Chrysler + FWD = Chrysler makes the Freaking Weirdest Decisions ever...... images/smilies/lol.gif

Dr. Sebastian Clarke · January 17th, 2008, 3:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aiolos

Man! I liked this car! What a shame!

Chrysler + FWD = Chrysler makes the Freaking Weirdest Decisions ever...... images/smilies/lol.gif

Chrysler does pretty well at quick FWD vehicles, actually. The Spirit R/T and the Daytona VNT were outstanding in their day.

NAIDANAC A · January 17th, 2008, 4:13 AM

And that was the early 90's...and now its 2008 and Chrysler aint the same Chrysler.

argatoga · January 17th, 2008, 4:37 AM

The problem I see is that they are returning to their old, crap but cheap strategy. Unfortunately for them this won't work anymore, as they now need to compete with the Korean companies who can make cheap and reliable cars.

klutch · January 17th, 2008, 10:31 AM

Quote:

http://jalopnik.com/344669/detroit-a...-chinese-chery

Woahhhh, hold on...

Front wheel drive? Ok, I suppose we can deal with that. The SRT-4 was pretty cool.

But built on the Chery?!?!? Sorry, Chrysler, but you've just lost a potential customer. For life.

tigger · January 17th, 2008, 5:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klutch

But built on the Chery?!?!? Sorry, Chrysler, but you've just lost a potential customer. For life.

That's a bit of an overreaction, don't you think? I wouldn't buy a Demon images/smilies/lol.gif

, but the base V8 Challenger, with a lifetime powertrain warranty, sounds pretty tasty.

klutch · January 17th, 2008, 7:32 PM

If building a car based on a platform designed and developed in China, for the Chinese market, with the safety record it has is an indication of times to come, I'll steer clear of Chrysler. This speaks volumes for their interpretation of "cost cutting" on future vehicles.

thedguy · January 17th, 2008, 8:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klutch

If building a car based on a platform designed and developed in China, for the Chinese market, with the safety record it has is an indication of times to come, I'll steer clear of Chrysler. This speaks volumes for their interpretation of "cost cutting" on future vehicles.

If they plan to sell it on this continent it'll have to meet US and Canadian safety regs.

FATMOUSE · January 19th, 2008, 4:22 PM

<borat>FWD + Roadster = GREAT SUCCESS!!!....not</Borat>

BlaRo · January 19th, 2008, 5:07 PM

There is no good news in this thread. Just kill the damn thing with fire, as well as the poor bastard who decided to build it on a cheap Chinese platform to begin with. Mazda and even GM are laughing their asses off as we speak.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FATMOUSE

<borat>FWD + Roadster = GREAT SUCCESS!!!....not</Borat>

Welcome to 2005, brought to you by FATMOUSE.

jayhawk · January 19th, 2008, 6:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GraemeH

A car from a company that thinks figures are all there are to cars.
"Let's make it qucker to 60, quicker at top speed and faster around a track than the competitor, that will make people like it!"
And they wonder why they're in financial trouble. The MX-5 isn't considered the yard-stick in this class because of the figures.

Exactly. Cerebus may know finacial wizardry, but don't sheeeet about cars. The new MINI works well becuase it has style, character and charm...and from the get go it was made to be a FWD car you can toss around, much like the RWD Miata.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Levin

okay, now it makes me sad.

They should have just renamed it the Pulsar

Steve

Glad that you see the light. images/smilies/smile.gif

I foresee flailing understeer from the Demon, but quick in a straight line, thus perpetuating a well worn and frankly annoying stereotype. And I do not hope they market this specifically to women, because I know of no woman who would be caught dead in a car called a demon.

FATMOUSE · January 19th, 2008, 8:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlaRo

Welcome to 2005, brought to you by FATMOUSE.

throw the blaro down the well
so the dodge demon can be free

Cobol74 · January 20th, 2008, 12:25 AM

So far I am not liking Cerberus - anyone got something they have announced that is brilliant yet?

Samir · January 24th, 2008, 5:19 AM

Horrible news. Though the masses can't tell if a car is FWD or RWD, they can subjectively assess things like road feel, steering sharpness and balance. All of these are superior in a RWD car of any length bigger than a go-kart. It makes sense to keep these roadster RWD.

This annoucement means this is basically just a convertible Sebring with a crosshair grill. Fuck Chrysler, it's in the shitter already anyway. Snap up the Challengers boys, it's our generation's Studebaker Avanti

tigger · January 24th, 2008, 6:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klutch

This speaks volumes for their interpretation of "cost cutting" on future vehicles.

I agree with you there, but like thedguy said, it will still have to meet US safety requirements. It would surprise the hell out of me, but maybe Cerberus is smart enough to avoid blatant cost-cutting on the higher models. Case in point; that new Ram interior actually looks pretty decent.

Elmo187 · January 24th, 2008, 7:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tigger

It would surprise the hell out of me, but maybe Cerberus is smart enough to avoid blatant cost-cutting on the higher models.

http://forums.finalgear.com/automoti...sebring-24508/

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Samir Joined: Aug 29th, 2006 Last Online: July 7th, 2009 Posts: 377 Car: 2005 Honda Accord EX-L, 2002 Ford Mustang LX Rep Power: 14	Horrible news. Though the masses can't tell if a car is FWD or RWD, they can subjectively assess things like road feel, steering sharpness and balance. All of these are superior in a RWD car of any length bigger than a go-kart. It makes sense to keep these roadster RWD. This annoucement means this is basically just a convertible Sebring with a crosshair grill. Fuck Chrysler, it's in the shitter already anyway. Snap up the Challengers boys, it's our generation's Studebaker Avanti

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