Hilux=Fail

[Karoug]

Originally Posted by jensked

Please translate this so we can now what it's about, cause it's quite shocking.

Since i'm too damn lazy to translate everything word-for-word, I'll give you the basics:

6 diffrent popular pickup-trucks from Nissan, Mazda, Ford. Izuzu, Mitsubishi and Toyota. They are testing them at a speed of 57 km/h (a normal car should clear that test in 70hm/h). The toyota didn't have anykind of esp and had a "bad design", The testers felt that the car shouldn't be allowed to be sold.

Then the guy in the interview goes on about the design of the rear of the truck and that the others starts to drift, but the toyota wont do that. Instead it grips and falls over. Then he goes on about this kind of vehicle is usually driven by ppl who needs them for work, but as ppl use them for everyday crap like going shopping they are driven like a normal car, and therefor needs to behave like a normal car..

Toyota said that they couldn't understand why the car behaved liked this and they are investigating how and why...

It's a crappy translation but I think you get the point..
And atleast toyota didn't blame the test and the driver like BMW did a few years ago..

And btw: The other 5 trucks passed just fine..

[tigger]

Originally Posted by Ottobon

I'm not really a safety advocate, but replace the word deer with children if you don't follow what i mean.

Because getting hit with a steel bumper and a mess of plastic is much preferred to just steel! I know what you're saying, but if you hit anything with a truck, brush guard or not, you're going to do some damage.

Originally Posted by Karoug

Toyota said that they couldn't understand why the car behaved liked this and they are investigating how and why...

Well saying that just makes their engineers sound like idiots. The engineers know exactly why the truck flips; it's got a high center of gravity (it's a truck, duh), and doesn't have any driving aids to save those who swerve and flip when they should've just hit the deer. If I was in the engineering department at Toyota that really would make me mad.

[Karoug]

The engineer were idiots.. The other trucks in that test and every other truck they've tested passed just fine..

[tigger]

Originally Posted by Karoug

The engineer were idiots.. The other trucks in that test and every other truck they've tested passed just fine..

Bah, you think it flips because the engineers don't give a shit? No, it flips because some bean counter decided stability control was too expensive. Or the suspension design was compromised in the name of aesthetics or increasing payload. I've never met an engineer who wanted his name on something "faulty".

[Karoug]

^Good point.. But this is something that never should have happened..
So it does make Toyota look like idiots..
But they are not trying to deny it like BMW did...

[awdrifter]

While it didn't do good on the test, shouldn't it still be considered a pass because it didn't flip over.

[Spectre]

Originally Posted by tigger

Bah, you think it flips because the engineers don't give a shit? No, it flips because some bean counter decided stability control was too expensive. Or the suspension design was compromised in the name of aesthetics or increasing payload. I've never met an engineer who wanted his name on something "faulty".

Funny, stability control didn't seem to help out the car in this test....

[vanMould]

I think I'd rather flip the car than running it into a moose. It might work on smaller animals, but the moose weighs between 350-450 kg on an average, stands up to 2.3 meters and has some very thin legs. It's as if they were made to come crashing through the windscreen of any regular car, and I doubt that a truck would make that much of a difference.

[Magnet]

We don't call them Rolluxes here in Australia for nothing. The old one was even worse; we have a 2003 model on skinny tyres, and I don't feel safe cornering above 60km/h in it.

[Hidden_Hunter]

Originally Posted by Spectre

Aw... Looks like you Europeans are *just now* discovering that vehicles with high ground clearance and high centers of gravity *will* tip over if used this way.

News flash - *Any* offroad capable truck or SUV (like the Land Rovers, which also failed this test) with adequate ground clearance will flip more easily than a standard car - even the Mercedes ML or Porsche Cayenne. Yes, even the Porsche Cayenne, with all its vaunted stability and anti-rollover systems.

Yeah but how fast were the cayenne's going, it would be a popular vechicle to showboat in I imagine.

[Phaeton99]

Bottom line, Jap pick-ups are the best vehicles on Earth. If your dumb enough to roll one you deserve what fate serves you.

I have driven Nissan And Toy pick-ups for over a decade and never even remotely got near to rolling one. Only a numb-nut auto-pundit could do it... foolish twats.

[WellsieTRD]

Ive put my Hilux through worse than that and its never rolled or even been remotley close to going over. Also that model doesn't have stability control which compounds the problem where as the Mitsubushi, i believe, does.

[tigger]

Originally Posted by Phaeton99

Bottom line, Jap pick-ups are the best vehicles on Earth. If your dumb enough to roll one you deserve what fate serves you.

While I disagree with your truck choice (they're pretty tough little trucks, I just prefer old GM iron when it comes to trucks), I definitely agree it would take some real effort to flip one.

Originally Posted by Spectre

Funny, stability control didn't seem to help out the car in this test....

Is that a XC90? Damn . Anyway, I was just listing a few things that could potentially help. It's still a truck, it's still got a high center of gravity and less than ideal suspension; no one should be surprised it rolls.

[Spectre]

Originally Posted by tigger

Is that a XC90? Damn . Anyway, I was just listing a few things that could potentially help. It's still a truck, it's still got a high center of gravity and less than ideal suspension; no one should be surprised it rolls.

Yup, that's the "super safe, super stable" loaded with every-safety-and-stability-aid-known-to-man Volvo XC90 going on its roof in a rollover test.

[marcos_eirik]

Originally Posted by Spectre

Yup, that's the "super safe, super stable" loaded with every-safety-and-stability-aid-known-to-man Volvo XC90 going on its roof in a rollover test.

Yes, it's probably the rollover test they do by flipping it on purpose to check how strong the safety cage is when it rolls over. Volvo has been doing this with all of their cars for a long time now. As you can see from the car's colour it's a crash test vehicle, not a production car lent to a car magazine for a test, that's a big difference.

[Karoug]

^As Eirik already pointed out that XC90 is a test vehicle and it's thrown sideways.. And there is no driver in that picture..

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[fooller]

Originally Posted by thedguy

You joke, but that is true. One of the things I was told by the locals "when you see an animal on the road is to just run through it" if you can't safely go around it.

As much damage as an elk or a deer can cause to the front end of a truck, it's a lot less than that of rolling said truck and being stopped by a tree. Plus you get at least 1 good meal out of the left over meat

And what happens when an elk flies over your bonnet and plows through the windscreen? Hitting a 2 metres tall 700kg (~1500lbs) elk that has a high center of gravity just isn't a same thing as hitting a 35kg (~80lbs) deer.

[Spectre]

North American White Tailed Deer aren't 80 lbs. They're 2-300lbs.

And we also have elk and moose over here. What you call Elk, we call a Moose.

And, for that matter, this is why we drive trucks with grille guards.

This is what happens when a moose hits a car:



This is what happens when a moose hits a pickup (with no bull bars):



And here's what happens if you swerve to avoid a moose and crash instead.



I think I'd rather hit the moose with my truck, thanks.

[WannabeSS]

i have done quick maneuvers in my Moms Silverado. Mainly avoiding a large accident all of a sudden, and thankfully, that truck got 5 star raitng for a truck and rolling over.

Very planted.

Those little small trucks are so narrow and tall, i would be doing no major swerving in it.

[vanMould]

Originally Posted by Spectre

That's a bit of a worst case scenario, isn't it?

Still, fair point. Didn't expect a truck to actually be able to cope with a moose that well.