Porsche Cayenne facelift spyshots

[p0w3r]

I blame the Porsche Cayenne on the American desire for 4x4s, due to their popularity. And consequently, through a leap of logic not even the universe's finest minds can understand, it is George Bush's fault.

you have good logic my friend

[sandor_]

My point is that is gets us closer to a Ferrari SUV.

As far as revenue, why not build the 4 door sedan that they will build by 2009? (They should have built that before the Cayenne or implace of the Cayenne) That would not have tainted Porsche as much as the Cayenne, which is fairly common.

Porsche has done 4 doors before, and they have done quite a number of sedan prototypes. the thing is, i dont think porsche wants a sedate, normal luxury sedan. if they do a sedan, it will surpass the M5, and the cost will be prohibitive to garner a large base. SUVs sell like mad, and Porsche can price them low enough to sell huge (for them) amounts. We are, after all, talking about a manufacturer who only sells 100,000 cars a year.

i personally (without proper evidence) dont believe Porsche will manufacture the Panamera. I think it is just another project (like hundreds of others porsche has done) that was a great test of market, design and engineering.

[sandor_]

I still can't believe Porsche has an SUV.

WHAT IS THE WORLD COMING TO!!!!

and 7 years ago no one could believe they were going to water cool the 911.

Think of it this way. without the cayenne, porsche would most likely NOT be an independent car manufacturer anymore. while i dont like SUVs, this vehicle is producing the majority of revenue for Porsche

its not completely unheard of, think about the Lambo LM002. sure this isnt anywhere near as cool as that, but Lambo had no rally race experience or anything and still doesnt. But its a Lamborghini SUV, think about it. whats so weird about the cayenne when compared to this.

heh, i just have to say, Porsche was winning the Paris-Dakar in the mid and late '80s with 911s - no need for an SUV to win

[teeb]

i personally (without proper evidence) dont believe Porsche will manufacture the Panamera. I think it is just another project (like hundreds of others porsche has done) that was a great test of market, design and engineering.

Think logically for a second. The Porsche lineup looks like this :

Boxster
Cayman
Cayenne
911

The Boxster and Cayman are for people looking for a fun 2 door coupe or convertible. The Cayenne's for American mothers with no taste, and the 911 is for people who want a 911 and what it stands for.

There's no car there for anybody who has a family and doesn't want a 4x4 though. In the UK 4x4s are 8% [I think] of total cars bought - not a huge figure. Anyone with a family wanting to transport 4 in comfort, that's when the Panamera comes in.

It would rival the M5, the Quattroporte, the Jag XJ - it does have natural rivals, and because it's a Porsche, it's intensely desirable.

In my opinion, Porsche are on a roll, and'd be daft not to build it.

[sandor_]

i personally (without proper evidence) dont believe Porsche will manufacture the Panamera. I think it is just another project (like hundreds of others porsche has done) that was a great test of market, design and engineering.

Think logically for a second. The Porsche lineup looks like this :

Boxster
Cayman
Cayenne
911

The Boxster and Cayman are for people looking for a fun 2 door coupe or convertible. The Cayenne's for American mothers with no taste, and the 911 is for people who want a 911 and what it stands for.

There's no car there for anybody who has a family and doesn't want a 4x4 though. In the UK 4x4s are 8% [I think] of total cars bought - not a huge figure. Anyone with a family wanting to transport 4 in comfort, that's when the Panamera comes in.

It would rival the M5, the Quattroporte, the Jag XJ - it does have natural rivals, and because it's a Porsche, it's intensely desirable.

In my opinion, Porsche are on a roll, and'd be daft not to build it.

Porsche isnt necessarily logical. they are simply fiercely independent, thus the reason they want to take their cash reserves and buy 25% of VW - they dont want to risk hostile takeover.

Again., Porsche has looked at 4 door sedans many times before, and each time they have never went to production. The cayenne was an interesting dilemma, as there was much back and forth with VW and Porsche, splitting costs, making production lines MUCH cheaper-but an SUV is truly a commodity car, and if Porsche was to make a super sedan, it couldnt look or feel like any other car on the road, it would have to be 100% porsche, and therefore much more capital intensive than the Cayenne. i also think that they wouldnt want an under $80,000 price point, as this would weaken the performance they could pack in. What does this mean? it means that unlike the cayenne, where the grunt of sales comes through the sub-$45,000 model, the Panamera would have no low end to drive profitability. and if it had a low end, it would dilute the product.

I'm not saying it WONT happen, just that i put no stock in Porsche showing drawings and naming production years 5 years down the road.


One of the reasons i love Porsche is that they are so profit driving - the C-GT is the perfect example. People originally balked at the price point, doubting there would be buyers, but Porsche stuck to their guns- they wanted this super car to 100% pay for its self, no stealing from other line's profits to fund the expenses of the car *cough* veyron *cough*