Spyker to take over Lotus?

D-Fence · March 15th, 2007, 10:12 PM

There are rumors that Spyker already signed some papers to take over Lotus.......any news about this from Great Britain?

Bundesautobahn · March 16th, 2007, 12:18 AM

Yeah i read an article about this, was in Dutch though and didn't saw anything yet at International sites. Spyker wants to buy everything.

Spyker: 'Wait, is the North Sea up for sale? We must have that!' images/smilies/tongue.gif

Viper007Bond · March 16th, 2007, 12:22 AM

What a great combo that'd be. Two crazy car companies.

GraemeH · March 16th, 2007, 12:25 AM

Not sure about this. I mean how much money does Spyker actually have? They only have one car (yes yes multiple variants), they can't sell that many, they just bought an F1 team surely thanks only to creditors...

This isn't some succesful company with a history here. I'd be weary of them taking over brands i care about.

Labcoatguy · March 16th, 2007, 12:28 AM

Remember, Spyker was started up by a guy who's already massively wealthy and apparently has cash burning holes in his pockets. Hopefully he'll be more sensible than other businesspeople who went on car buying sprees like Nikolai Smolenski, Tommy Suharto, or Jacques Nasser.

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Originally Posted by GraemeH

Not sure about this. I mean how much money does Spyker actually have? They only have one car (yes yes multiple variants), they can't sell that many, they just bought an F1 team surely thanks only to creditors...

This isn't some succesful company with a history here. I'd be weary of them taking over brands i care about.

teeb · March 16th, 2007, 12:52 AM

This sounds bizarre. I don't doubt Spyker could buy Lotus, but why would they? Spyker have a successful operation of their own, as does Lotus.

The main point is they stand for completely different things. Lotus is about lightweight cars with unbelievable handling. Spyker is about luxury, and bespokedness [is that a word?], and being ostentatious. The two companies' ethoses [ethi?] are practically entirely incompatible.

Now, if it was "Lotus to help out on next Spyker's suspension/handling" or "Lotus to build next Spyker for them", then I'd believe that...

Donington · March 16th, 2007, 1:11 AM

This could be good!

pfrocker · March 16th, 2007, 6:02 AM

Although right now Lotus look good in Proton, I would like to see Lotus back to Europe. IT's pretty much a win-win situation either way for Lotus.

ESPNSTI · March 16th, 2007, 6:15 AM

Where does Spyker get all this money from? Are their cars selling that well?

fbc · March 16th, 2007, 8:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ESPNSTI

Where does Spyker get all this money from? Are their cars selling that well?

Good question - I'd be curious as to how they not only find the money to buy F1 teams and car companies, but how they can fund them ongoing.

Hazardous · March 16th, 2007, 10:39 AM

Spyker is part of a consortium which is (AFAIK) mostly owned by dutch millionaire Michiel Mol. There's also some Saudi cash involved in the operation.

The consortium also includes Internet-company Lost Boys.

Deanodriver · March 16th, 2007, 1:32 PM

As long as it involves putting some Lotus into the Spykers (mainly the handling), I wouldn't mind it. However, if they tried to Spyker-ise the Lotus cars images/smilies/puke.gif

Here's a thought, the Audi V8 that Spyker uses could be used in the next Esprit if this comes to fruition (or the Esprit and a Spyker are similar cars underneath)...

skr · March 16th, 2007, 1:35 PM

Or even better, they drop the Spyker name in F1 and Lotus returns...then only Johnny Herbert would be missing images/smilies/wink.gif

Blind_Io · March 16th, 2007, 5:36 PM

If I were the founder of Spyker and had this much cash to play with I would buy Lotus to get my hands on their design and team. Turn the Lotus boys loose on the F1 team and send them a few Spykers to play with. The Spyker has never really sorted out it's handling problem, but a team from Lotus could make it a really amazing performer.

At least, that's what I would do.

No Boss · March 16th, 2007, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ESPNSTI

Where does Spyker get all this money from? Are their cars selling that well?

Pff, ever see that coach? Had to cost a couple bucks.

Nelis · March 17th, 2007, 1:19 PM

Spyker is owned by a couple of people some saudi and some dutch. They did get into F1 because they got alot of money from michiel mol who is a internet dude and is pretty succesfull at that. They got ferrari engines in their f1 because the saudi's who own a part of spyker also own like 5% of ferrari and they put some presure on ferrari. So I think it's a pretty stable situation that would benefit both lotus an spyker.

Clown · March 21st, 2007, 9:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hazardous

Spyker is part of a consortium which is (AFAIK) mostly owned by dutch millionaire Michiel Mol. There's also some Saudi cash involved in the operation.

The consortium also includes Internet-company Lost Boys.

(For those that don't know: )
Michiel Mol is the guy that created Big Brother.
Quite a lot of $$$$ in his wallet.

fbc · March 21st, 2007, 9:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Clown

Michiel Mol is the guy that created Big Brother.

<shakes fist>

Damn you Michiel Mol, DAMN YOU!!!

wingnutsc · March 21st, 2007, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

What a great combo that'd be. Two crazy car companies.

well i wouldn't consider Lotus to be a "crazy" car company. obviously Spyker would be since it's, well, Dutch. o, and it is Spyker

cdbob · March 21st, 2007, 10:34 AM

Well Spyker would certainly benefit from the handling gains the lotus enginears would give them.

March 15th, 2007, 10:12 PM	#1
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GraemeH Joined: Apr 19th, 2005 Last Online: 12:31 AM Location: Scotland, UK Posts: 2,066 Car: Toyota Corolla. Rawrr. LFS Status: Rep Power: 34	Not sure about this. I mean how much money does Spyker actually have? They only have one car (yes yes multiple variants), they can't sell that many, they just bought an F1 team surely thanks only to creditors... This isn't some succesful company with a history here. I'd be weary of them taking over brands i care about. __________________

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teeb Joined: Sep 23rd, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Bordeaux, France. Age: 22 Posts: 2,940 Rep Power: 91	This sounds bizarre. I don't doubt Spyker could buy Lotus, but why would they? Spyker have a successful operation of their own, as does Lotus. The main point is they stand for completely different things. Lotus is about lightweight cars with unbelievable handling. Spyker is about luxury, and bespokedness [is that a word?], and being ostentatious. The two companies' ethoses [ethi?] are practically entirely incompatible. Now, if it was "Lotus to help out on next Spyker's suspension/handling" or "Lotus to build next Spyker for them", then I'd believe that... __________________ ...I'm meant to put something here?

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pfrocker Joined: Jan 22nd, 2006 Last Online: Yesterday Location: San Francisco, California, USA Age: 21 Posts: 2,137 Rep Power: 45	Although right now Lotus look good in Proton, I would like to see Lotus back to Europe. IT's pretty much a win-win situation either way for Lotus. __________________ "The following program contains British accents, if you don't understand what the bloody hell we are talking about please turn on your closed captioning." -BBC America Top Gear Introduction narrated by John Oliver

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Bundesautobahn Joined: Jun 6th, 2006 Last Online: November 11th, 2009 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 473 Rep Power: 15	Yeah i read an article about this, was in Dutch though and didn't saw anything yet at International sites. Spyker wants to buy everything. Spyker: 'Wait, is the North Sea up for sale? We must have that!'

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Hazardous Joined: Sep 7th, 2004 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Southern Finland Age: 25 Posts: 1,494 Car: None :/ Rep Power: 32	Spyker is part of a consortium which is (AFAIK) mostly owned by dutch millionaire Michiel Mol. There's also some Saudi cash involved in the operation. The consortium also includes Internet-company Lost Boys.

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Deanodriver @ .au Joined: Oct 2nd, 2005 Last Online: November 18th, 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 25 Posts: 592 Car: 1993 Ford Telstar Rep Power: 17	As long as it involves putting some Lotus into the Spykers (mainly the handling), I wouldn't mind it. However, if they tried to Spyker-ise the Lotus cars Here's a thought, the Audi V8 that Spyker uses could be used in the next Esprit if this comes to fruition (or the Esprit and a Spyker are similar cars underneath)...

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skr Joined: May 25th, 2006 Last Online: November 17th, 2009 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 381 Car: 1992 BMW 525iA, 1999 Ford Focus Estate Ghia 1.8 Rep Power: 15	Or even better, they drop the Spyker name in F1 and Lotus returns...then only Johnny Herbert would be missing

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March 17th, 2007, 1:19 PM	#16
Nelis Joined: Nov 14th, 2005 Last Online: November 20th, 2009 Location: Netherlands Posts: 145 Rep Power: 0	Spyker is owned by a couple of people some saudi and some dutch. They did get into F1 because they got alot of money from michiel mol who is a internet dude and is pretty succesfull at that. They got ferrari engines in their f1 because the saudi's who own a part of spyker also own like 5% of ferrari and they put some presure on ferrari. So I think it's a pretty stable situation that would benefit both lotus an spyker. __________________

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