Nurburgring in Forza...

LeVeL · July 14th, 2008, 02:52 PM

I was playing my friend on live last night and he decided to go to the Ring in MkII Golfs. Now, I was never a big fan of this track having driven it in silly-fast cars before but driving it in the slow VW made it seem... tame. So I think I'll spend my spare time learning my way around the Nurburgring. How many laps do you think it will take me to have an idea of what corner is coming up next?

NooDle · July 14th, 2008, 03:48 PM

about 100 million until you know your way around
then the rest of your life you're chasing perfection

matt2000 · July 14th, 2008, 03:51 PM

It's hard to say really, I've been driving the 'ring on games since GT4. After doing a few endurance races in my M5 and 1960's Nissan Skyline, you start to know the track pretty well. I can pretty much visualise the whole track in my head, but the second half of the track is the hardest to remember, because it all looks the same.

I think once you've done about 8-10 laps in the same car, you'll have a good idea of the braking and turn in points for each corner, and you'll know when you're coming up to the major corners. As I said though it's hard for me to tell. images/smilies/smile.gif

ahpadt · July 14th, 2008, 06:50 PM

To know it well, I reckon you need atleast 50 laps...

the Interceptor · July 14th, 2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ahpadt

To know it well, I reckon you need atleast 50 laps...

50 is a good estimate. images/smilies/smile.gif

I'd learn it properly and play GT4 though. images/smilies/tongue.gif

matt2000 · July 14th, 2008, 08:19 PM

I was only guessing, 50 sounds about right to know it properly. images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Solberg · July 14th, 2008, 08:59 PM

It took me about 350 laps to know it really well. I try to do at least a lap a day.

jayjaya29 · July 14th, 2008, 09:35 PM

I played Project Gotham Racing 2 on the original Xbox for 6 months straight about 2 years ago, mostly Nurburgring laps. I still know the track quite well. When watching real in-car footage I know which turn is always coming up.

Just keep playing and watch in-car footage and see if you can predict which turn is coming up.

turbo lag · July 14th, 2008, 11:14 PM

Took me around 500 laps to learn it properly, now I can visualize the track in my head. Been racing on it since GT4 times, and now playing it on M3 Challenge on PC. Now, to start learning those corner names...

p0w3r · July 15th, 2008, 07:05 AM

A few years back there was an online racing league that raced gt and touring cars for 24hours on the ring. It was a mod for the old F1 Challenge pc sim. They would basically connect all the computers and then have people from different time zones to drive the different stints. I raced one year and i had a 3-4 hr stint (what a waste of time looking back now images/smilies/mellow.gif

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But anyways, i didn't get to practice much so i went into my stint with only basic knowledge of the track. I made a bunch of mistakes the first hour...but by the second i had the track memorized and it was quite easy to do consistent laps. The trick is just to run a lot of laps in the same car without stopping and not trying to push that hard. I found that pushing too hard at a track like the ring is not worth it in the long run due to the lack of runoff area...so its best to push it at a speed you can handle.

Dsemaj · July 15th, 2008, 07:11 AM

I would have done about 100 or so, I know it reasonably well. The last third is always the hardest to know..

NooDle · July 15th, 2008, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by turbo lag

Now, to start learning those corner names...

Maybe this will help?

http://www.gpljunk.nildram.co.uk/~kclark/ringccover.jpg

Viper007Bond · July 15th, 2008, 08:46 AM

It only took me a dozen or so to be able to know it. I couldn't drive it in my sleep or visualize the thing, but when I saw the scenery, I knew what corner was coming.

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GT4

fbc · July 15th, 2008, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

GT4

Ditto - I still fire up the PS2 occasionally to do Mission 34.

the Interceptor · July 15th, 2008, 09:19 AM

There are a few license tests in GT4 that include driving small portions on the Ring (at least three if I recall correctly). If you have golded them, you can be sure you know how to manage those passages.

LeVeL · July 15th, 2008, 05:36 PM

Ok, this isnt going well.
Yesterday I picked an NSX and quit within a few hundred yards - the NSX is so low that I couldnt see what was coming up. So I grabbed my EF hatch (stock motor, tuned everything else) and went out there. The damn game froze after 7 minutes. So today I downloaded a patch in order to be able to play xbox games on the 360 (I dont have FM2... yet). Dropped a B18 into the civic and started again. First lap was 12 minutes and change. Second lap was 10:52, with 37 seconds worth of penalty time. Half way through my third lap I ran out of gas. I do recognize certain parts of it though as Im driving... so thats good I guess.

Nocturnal · July 15th, 2008, 08:39 PM

In all honesty, you wont learn it at all from Forza. You might recognise some corners, but its not accurate enough to learn from. PGR4 is by far the most accurate Ive found, though its still a touch narrow.

Nereid · July 16th, 2008, 05:44 PM

Forza's Nurburgring is far too long and unchallenging. If you want to get a good representation of the real thing, I would suggest Gran Turismo or Project Gotham Racing.

Peter3hg · July 16th, 2008, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nereid

Forza's Nurburgring is far too long and unchallenging. If you want to get a good representation of the real thing, I would suggest Gran Turismo or Project Gotham Racing.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u231/cheezeguy/n725075089_288918_2774.jpg

matt2000 · July 16th, 2008, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

GT4

Me too but it looks rubbish on my LCD TV. images/smilies/sad.gif

So do all the other PS2 games I have.

July 14th, 2008, 02:52 PM	#1
LeVeL Joined: Jun 16th, 2007 Last Online: Yesterday Location: MA Age: 20 Posts: 789 Car: VQ30 Rep Power: 16	Nurburgring in Forza... I was playing my friend on live last night and he decided to go to the Ring in MkII Golfs. Now, I was never a big fan of this track having driven it in silly-fast cars before but driving it in the slow VW made it seem... tame. So I think I'll spend my spare time learning my way around the Nurburgring. How many laps do you think it will take me to have an idea of what corner is coming up next? __________________ Cardinal of Karting . . . flickr . . . . . . . . . . . GetLeVeLed.org + UMass Motorsport . . .

July 14th, 2008, 03:51 PM	#3
matt2000 Squirrel Mincer Joined: Feb 17th, 2006 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Market Harborough, UK Age: 18 Posts: 2,938 Car: '77 Land Rover Series III", Skoda Octavia again LFS Status: Rep Power: 43	It's hard to say really, I've been driving the 'ring on games since GT4. After doing a few endurance races in my M5 and 1960's Nissan Skyline, you start to know the track pretty well. I can pretty much visualise the whole track in my head, but the second half of the track is the hardest to remember, because it all looks the same. I think once you've done about 8-10 laps in the same car, you'll have a good idea of the braking and turn in points for each corner, and you'll know when you're coming up to the major corners. As I said though it's hard for me to tell. __________________ Want an avatar but can't be arsed to do it yourself - Let me know!

July 14th, 2008, 08:19 PM	#6
matt2000 Squirrel Mincer Joined: Feb 17th, 2006 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Market Harborough, UK Age: 18 Posts: 2,938 Car: '77 Land Rover Series III", Skoda Octavia again LFS Status: Rep Power: 43	I was only guessing, 50 sounds about right to know it properly. __________________ Want an avatar but can't be arsed to do it yourself - Let me know!

July 14th, 2008, 08:59 PM	#7
Solberg Joined: Apr 24th, 2008 Last Online: 08:17 AM Posts: 880 Rep Power: 16	It took me about 350 laps to know it really well. I try to do at least a lap a day. __________________

July 14th, 2008, 09:35 PM	#8
jayjaya29 Joined: Mar 17th, 2005 Last Online: October 8th, 2008 Location: Lindenhurst, NY Age: 20 Posts: 4,802 Car: 2000 Nissan Altima Rep Power: 19	I played Project Gotham Racing 2 on the original Xbox for 6 months straight about 2 years ago, mostly Nurburgring laps. I still know the track quite well. When watching real in-car footage I know which turn is always coming up. Just keep playing and watch in-car footage and see if you can predict which turn is coming up. __________________ Check out my Gallery. Check out my Car.

July 14th, 2008, 03:48 PM	#2
NooDle Joined: Jul 20th, 2005 Last Online: 09:30 AM Location: Belgium Age: 27 Posts: 1,961 Car: 2004 Opel Astra 2.2DTI Rep Power: 29	about 100 million until you know your way around then the rest of your life you're chasing perfection

July 14th, 2008, 06:50 PM	#4
ahpadt Joined: May 7th, 2006 Last Online: 02:42 AM Location: The Norwaylands Posts: 2,249 Car: Working on it! Rep Power: 18	To know it well, I reckon you need atleast 50 laps...

July 14th, 2008, 11:14 PM	#9
turbo lag Joined: Aug 1st, 2007 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Melbourne Age: 14 Posts: 33 Rep Power: 6	Took me around 500 laps to learn it properly, now I can visualize the track in my head. Been racing on it since GT4 times, and now playing it on M3 Challenge on PC. Now, to start learning those corner names...

July 15th, 2008, 07:05 AM	#10
p0w3r Joined: May 21st, 2004 Last Online: 07:42 AM Location: New York City! Age: 19 Posts: 1,132 Car: 2008 Audi A4 2.0T Rep Power: 19	A few years back there was an online racing league that raced gt and touring cars for 24hours on the ring. It was a mod for the old F1 Challenge pc sim. They would basically connect all the computers and then have people from different time zones to drive the different stints. I raced one year and i had a 3-4 hr stint (what a waste of time looking back now ) But anyways, i didn't get to practice much so i went into my stint with only basic knowledge of the track. I made a bunch of mistakes the first hour...but by the second i had the track memorized and it was quite easy to do consistent laps. The trick is just to run a lot of laps in the same car without stopping and not trying to push that hard. I found that pushing too hard at a track like the ring is not worth it in the long run due to the lack of runoff area...so its best to push it at a speed you can handle.

July 15th, 2008, 07:11 AM	#11
Dsemaj Previously Known As Jamesd Joined: May 2nd, 2006 Last Online: 08:33 AM Location: Adelaide, Australia. Posts: 1,953 Car: '95 BMW 5er E34 M60B30, '85 Nissan Bluebird (Hack) Rep Power: 22	I would have done about 100 or so, I know it reasonably well. The last third is always the hardest to know.. __________________ 1995 BMW E34 530i V8 M60B30 218HP/163kW 5sp Auto 1985 Nissan 910 Bluebird I4 CA20S 105HP/78kW 3sp Auto

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Viper007Bond Lazy Head Dude Joined: Sep 21st, 2003 Last Online: 09:13 AM Location: Portland, Oregon Age: 24 Posts: 20,719 Car: Dodge Viper (I wish!) Rep Power: 230	It only took me a dozen or so to be able to know it. I couldn't drive it in my sleep or visualize the thing, but when I saw the scenery, I knew what corner was coming. GT4 __________________ Fight back against the evil Quiky by +1'ing this post! There is no replacement for displacement. - Wolfgang Bernhard, Chief Operating Officer, Chrysler Group talking about the Dodge Viper SRT-10 ... I ask Herb Helbig, vehicle synthesis manager for SRT and a member of the original Team Viper development group since day one, if they'd ever thought of adding traction control. "It comes with two," he says, pointing at my feet. "Learn to use them." Got it. - Motor Trend on the 2006 Dodge Viper Coupe, November 2005

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the Interceptor Joined: Feb 22nd, 2005 Last Online: 09:15 AM Location: Germany Posts: 1,745 Car: BMW E36 323i superleggera Rep Power: 43	There are a few license tests in GT4 that include driving small portions on the Ring (at least three if I recall correctly). If you have golded them, you can be sure you know how to manage those passages. Last edited by the Interceptor; July 15th, 2008 at 05:45 PM.

July 15th, 2008, 05:36 PM	#16
LeVeL Joined: Jun 16th, 2007 Last Online: Yesterday Location: MA Age: 20 Posts: 789 Car: VQ30 Rep Power: 16	Ok, this isnt going well. Yesterday I picked an NSX and quit within a few hundred yards - the NSX is so low that I couldnt see what was coming up. So I grabbed my EF hatch (stock motor, tuned everything else) and went out there. The damn game froze after 7 minutes. So today I downloaded a patch in order to be able to play xbox games on the 360 (I dont have FM2... yet). Dropped a B18 into the civic and started again. First lap was 12 minutes and change. Second lap was 10:52, with 37 seconds worth of penalty time. Half way through my third lap I ran out of gas. I do recognize certain parts of it though as Im driving... so thats good I guess. __________________ Cardinal of Karting . . . flickr . . . . . . . . . . . GetLeVeLed.org + UMass Motorsport . . .

July 15th, 2008, 08:39 PM	#17
Nocturnal Joined: Jun 19th, 2008 Last Online: 08:55 AM Location: UK Age: 21 Posts: 176 Car: '91 Mazda MX5 NA6CE Rep Power: 2	In all honesty, you wont learn it at all from Forza. You might recognise some corners, but its not accurate enough to learn from. PGR4 is by far the most accurate Ive found, though its still a touch narrow. __________________

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