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Flynn · February 4th, 2008, 10:29 AM

Who is your favourite?

Blind_Io · February 4th, 2008, 05:33 PM

Les Stroud knows what he's doing Bayer Grills (or whatever his name is) is a fucking idiot. He stays in hotels and only goes out to film, he takes a whole camera crew (Les hauls all his own cameras and does all his own filming).

I watched the Man vs. Wild that was down in south-eastern Utah outside of Moab. That's my stomping ground and I know the area very well. I know how to survive in the desert and trust me when I tell you that if you follow Bayer's advice you will die.

Watch the Surviorman for the redrock desert and you will see what I'm talking about. Les is the man when it comes to survival shows.

Twerp128 · February 4th, 2008, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Blind_Io

Les Stroud knows what he's doing Bayer Grills (or whatever his name is) is a fucking idiot. He stays in hotels and only goes out to film, he takes a whole camera crew (Les hauls all his own cameras and does all his own filming).

I watched the Man vs. Wild that was down in south-eastern Utah outside of Moab. That's my stomping ground and I know the area very well. I know how to survive in the desert and trust me when I tell you that if you follow Bayer's advice you will die.

Watch the Surviorman for the redrock desert and you will see what I'm talking about. Les is the man when it comes to survival shows.

I have to disagree.

Les Stroud obviously knows what he's talking about, no question there. But when I sit down to watch what is essentially a nature show, Man vs. Wild is just better. Better shots of the environment better locations, better editing, and Bear is a more interesting host. It may not be as educational as Survivorman but if I wanted education I'd read a book or watch public television.

That said, I think this whole hotel talk is a bunch of BS. Do you know how hard it is to get a permit into a National Park or Forest for a week with no planned route, knowing full well your party will not be using trails, oh and were going to fly a helicopter in every day to pick up the camera crew?

Night_Hawk · February 4th, 2008, 06:34 PM

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Blind_Io · February 4th, 2008, 07:06 PM

^ Yeah I was going to post that. Thanks for saving me the trouble.

The reason Survivorman has different shooting is because all those cameras and the hosting and the survival is all being done by one guy. He doesn't have a crew or support staff to help him out. Remember that every shot of Les walking over ground is just 1/3 of the process, he has to traverse the land, set up the camera, go back and then film himself going back over the terrain as if it's for the first time.

Grils is a moron and a fraud. His "advice" is going to get someone killed.

BerserkerCatSplat · February 4th, 2008, 07:30 PM

Stroud kicks Grylls' ass.

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Blind_Io · February 4th, 2008, 07:43 PM

Yeah, and Les plays a mean harmonica.

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Twerp128 · February 4th, 2008, 07:52 PM

Still, I've done my share of backpacking trips and anyone who ventures out into the wilderness like Bear or Les is an experienced survivalist. I think a lot of people take these shows too seriously. After all in the real back-country no TV show will teach you how to survive. It's all in the hours of preparation before hand and good decision making on the trail.

BerserkerCatSplat · February 4th, 2008, 08:29 PM

LOL, these just get better.

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Flynn · February 4th, 2008, 10:30 PM

I must say, Bear didn't do himself any favours by claiming to be dropped off in the middle of nowhere and reaching safety all by himself like in the early episodes. It would have been fine if he actually did, but he was spotted in grill bars and stuff which lead to some rather predictable puns in the media images/smilies/biggrin.gif

What I can say though, is that in the later episodes of Man versus wild ("Born survivor" over here) he did mention the fact that he got help from various sources far more often which is what he should have done in the first place and not acted like he was doing everything himself. Also I dunno if they have changed the dramatic beginning sequences where it shows him sky diving from a chopper and him claiming that he is going to make a go of it all by himself, I should hope they have removed that bit as well. He is a nice and entertaining guy though, but the first couple series of his show mislead the viewer alot.

How about Ray Mears, he seems like more a kind of "do it yourself" kinda guy.

The_Finn · February 4th, 2008, 10:42 PM

A picture is worth a thousand words:

http://pic.phyrefile.com/2008/02/04/Lesnocrew.jpg

Crazyjeeper · February 5th, 2008, 01:46 AM

^

Agree though, survivor man is so much better than man vs. wild.

Blind_Io · February 5th, 2008, 01:56 AM

Umm, Les' show is Survivorman. Man vs. Wild is done by that hack Gryls.

bartboy9891 · February 5th, 2008, 01:58 AM

I liked Man vs. Wild because it was more entertaining, but then stuff happened in the show that just seemed more and more unlikely. Then it turns out to be all fake, now it's Survivorman all the way.

Crazyjeeper · February 5th, 2008, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Blind_Io

Umm, Les' show is Survivorman. Man vs. Wild is done by that hack Gryls.

I know. I was expressing that the photo was humorous and then that Les Stroud and Survivorman is much better than Man vs. Wild and Bear Grylls.

ruuman · February 5th, 2008, 12:58 PM

Not seen this les stroud chap, but I do like Ray Mears. The first and the best will always be Bush tucker man though
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Hiddins

Twerp128 · February 5th, 2008, 05:21 PM

I still say Man vs. Wild is a better show, it's entertainment. You guys think all the little stunts on Top Gear aren't scripted. You think they made it to the North Pole or across Africa without massive support.

Les is an impressive survivalist, but his show is dry. Not his fault he's a one man production crew. The problem is, the only audience that will sit through the show are people that enjoy spending a week in the wilderness, we are few and far between. Frankly, I'd rather go enjoy the outdoors rather then watch it on a TV.

Blind_Io · February 5th, 2008, 05:28 PM

^ I actually like Les' show. He has some really creative ways of using natural and salvaged materials.

February 4th, 2008, 10:29 AM	#1
Flynn Banned Joined: Jan 7th, 2008 Last Online: April 6th, 2008 Location: South east Blighty Age: 19 Posts: 361 Rep Power: 0	Survival experts Who is your favourite?

February 4th, 2008, 05:33 PM	#2
Blind_Io Dispenses buckshot medication for all undead patients. Joined: Apr 5th, 2006 Last Online: 06:44 PM Location: Richmond, California, USA Age: 28 Posts: 9,076 Car: 2004 Honda Civic Coupe 2000 VFR800 Interceptor Rep Power: 121	Les Stroud knows what he's doing Bayer Grills (or whatever his name is) is a fucking idiot. He stays in hotels and only goes out to film, he takes a whole camera crew (Les hauls all his own cameras and does all his own filming). I watched the Man vs. Wild that was down in south-eastern Utah outside of Moab. That's my stomping ground and I know the area very well. I know how to survive in the desert and trust me when I tell you that if you follow Bayer's advice you will die. Watch the Surviorman for the redrock desert and you will see what I'm talking about. Les is the man when it comes to survival shows. __________________ War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength

February 4th, 2008, 07:06 PM	#5
Blind_Io Dispenses buckshot medication for all undead patients. Joined: Apr 5th, 2006 Last Online: 06:44 PM Location: Richmond, California, USA Age: 28 Posts: 9,076 Car: 2004 Honda Civic Coupe 2000 VFR800 Interceptor Rep Power: 121	^ Yeah I was going to post that. Thanks for saving me the trouble. The reason Survivorman has different shooting is because all those cameras and the hosting and the survival is all being done by one guy. He doesn't have a crew or support staff to help him out. Remember that every shot of Les walking over ground is just 1/3 of the process, he has to traverse the land, set up the camera, go back and then film himself going back over the terrain as if it's for the first time. Grils is a moron and a fraud. His "advice" is going to get someone killed. __________________ War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength

February 4th, 2008, 07:52 PM	#8
Twerp128 Joined: Oct 6th, 2006 Last Online: 02:11 AM Location: Indiana Age: 21 Posts: 1,179 Car: '83 Porsche 944, '91 Miazda Rep Power: 32	Still, I've done my share of backpacking trips and anyone who ventures out into the wilderness like Bear or Les is an experienced survivalist. I think a lot of people take these shows too seriously. After all in the real back-country no TV show will teach you how to survive. It's all in the hours of preparation before hand and good decision making on the trail. __________________

February 4th, 2008, 10:30 PM	#10
Flynn Banned Joined: Jan 7th, 2008 Last Online: April 6th, 2008 Location: South east Blighty Age: 19 Posts: 361 Rep Power: 0	I must say, Bear didn't do himself any favours by claiming to be dropped off in the middle of nowhere and reaching safety all by himself like in the early episodes. It would have been fine if he actually did, but he was spotted in grill bars and stuff which lead to some rather predictable puns in the media What I can say though, is that in the later episodes of Man versus wild ("Born survivor" over here) he did mention the fact that he got help from various sources far more often which is what he should have done in the first place and not acted like he was doing everything himself. Also I dunno if they have changed the dramatic beginning sequences where it shows him sky diving from a chopper and him claiming that he is going to make a go of it all by himself, I should hope they have removed that bit as well. He is a nice and entertaining guy though, but the first couple series of his show mislead the viewer alot. How about Ray Mears, he seems like more a kind of "do it yourself" kinda guy.

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Crazyjeeper Joined: Nov 29th, 2006 Last Online: 07:38 PM Location: Texas Age: 19 Posts: 2,797 Car: 1985 Jeep CJ7, 1997 Ford F150 Rep Power: 54	^ Agree though, survivor man is so much better than man vs. wild. __________________ Toy: 1985 Jeep CJ7 Lifted and Locked Daily Driver: 1997 Ford F150 4.6L with a massive 220hp EVGA 780i, E8400 @ 4.0ghz, CM Hyper 212, XFX 8800GT 512mb Extreme SLI, MSI 8400GS, 2x1gb Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800, PC Power & Cooling 610w EPS12v, 1.6tb of HDD, CM Centurion 690.

February 5th, 2008, 01:56 AM	#13
Blind_Io Dispenses buckshot medication for all undead patients. Joined: Apr 5th, 2006 Last Online: 06:44 PM Location: Richmond, California, USA Age: 28 Posts: 9,076 Car: 2004 Honda Civic Coupe 2000 VFR800 Interceptor Rep Power: 121	Umm, Les' show is Survivorman. Man vs. Wild is done by that hack Gryls. __________________ War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength

February 5th, 2008, 01:58 AM	#14
bartboy9891 I'm not Moe Joined: Dec 1st, 2004 Last Online: 07:37 PM Location: University of Michigan Age: 19 Posts: 7,778 Car: 1996 Grand Am SE sedan, and dad's 2006 S60 2.5T Rep Power: 43	I liked Man vs. Wild because it was more entertaining, but then stuff happened in the show that just seemed more and more unlikely. Then it turns out to be all fake, now it's Survivorman all the way. __________________

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ruuman Joined: Sep 16th, 2004 Last Online: 07:02 PM Location: surrey, UK Age: 29 Posts: 621 Car: Range Rover, Defender 90, Suzuki DL-650 Rep Power: 18	Not seen this les stroud chap, but I do like Ray Mears. The first and the best will always be Bush tucker man though http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Hiddins

February 5th, 2008, 05:21 PM	#17
Twerp128 Joined: Oct 6th, 2006 Last Online: 02:11 AM Location: Indiana Age: 21 Posts: 1,179 Car: '83 Porsche 944, '91 Miazda Rep Power: 32	I still say Man vs. Wild is a better show, it's entertainment. You guys think all the little stunts on Top Gear aren't scripted. You think they made it to the North Pole or across Africa without massive support. Les is an impressive survivalist, but his show is dry. Not his fault he's a one man production crew. The problem is, the only audience that will sit through the show are people that enjoy spending a week in the wilderness, we are few and far between. Frankly, I'd rather go enjoy the outdoors rather then watch it on a TV. __________________

February 5th, 2008, 05:28 PM	#18
Blind_Io Dispenses buckshot medication for all undead patients. Joined: Apr 5th, 2006 Last Online: 06:44 PM Location: Richmond, California, USA Age: 28 Posts: 9,076 Car: 2004 Honda Civic Coupe 2000 VFR800 Interceptor Rep Power: 121	^ I actually like Les' show. He has some really creative ways of using natural and salvaged materials. __________________ War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength

February 5th, 2008, 09:43 PM	#19
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