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Old January 10th, 2008, 11:12 AM   #21
 
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The big bang is widely believed to be factual truth in the science community.. Read up on Black Holes and it will make sense.
It's all about the same as global warming theory etc. It's all arguable until we see the actual process/result. IMO in like 50 years, if global warming continues even with every1 switching to 0% emission cars, stoping all the factories & everything else, that is beleived to affect the temperature rise, every1's going to blame activists who made billions of ppl contribute to low emission crap, instead of contributing to the actual research of how we can cool the earth down using the actual science. If global warming is stopped, then i guess Al Gore will be awarded an even bigger award.
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Will Smith may have studied Scientology with pal Tom Cruise, but he says his faith rests in his own spirituality.

"I don't necessarily believe in organized religion," Smith, 39, said when asked about Scientology Friday at a junket for his upcoming film I Am Legend.

"I love my God, my higher power, but it is mine and mine alone, and I create my connection, and I decide how my connection is going to be," he added.

Describing himself as a "student of world religions," Smith — who was raised a Baptist — said: "I believe that my connection to my higher power is separate from everybody's.

"I don’t believe that the Muslims have all the answers and all the beliefs. I don’t believe the Christians have all the answers and beliefs, or that the Jews have all the answers."
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It's all about the same as global warming theory etc. It's all arguable until we see the actual process/result. IMO in like 50 years, if global warming continues even with every1 switching to 0% emission cars, stoping all the factories & everything else, that is beleived to affect the temperature rise, every1's going to blame activists who made billions of ppl contribute to low emission crap, instead of contributing to the actual research of how we can cool the earth down using the actual science. If global warming is stopped, then i guess Al Gore will be awarded an even bigger award.
That's how science works, intelligent people talk about it a lot and come up with what seems to be the most plausible explanation with the knowledge they have at the given time. Im sure that in 1000years we will all know how the universe started ect. But i think we can all agree that the most plausible explanation right now isn't that some dude made it all in 6 days. images/smilies/smile.gif
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It's all about the same as global warming theory etc. It's all arguable until we see the actual process/result. IMO in like 50 years, if global warming continues even with every1 switching to 0% emission cars, stoping all the factories & everything else, that is beleived to affect the temperature rise, every1's going to blame activists who made billions of ppl contribute to low emission crap, instead of contributing to the actual research of how we can cool the earth down using the actual science. If global warming is stopped, then i guess Al Gore will be awarded an even bigger award.
That's kinda a BS statement. I mean, we can't prove evolution, but hopefully you can agree that it's fact. Same goes for gravity I believe.
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Well, if you plan on boycotting all entertainers related to scientology, then I suggest you brace for impact. The list is fairly big...

You might be surprised at who's on the list, I know I was.
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That's kinda a BS statement. I mean, we can't prove evolution, but hopefully you can agree that it's fact. Same goes for gravity I believe.
Completely different things IMO. Gravity is gravity, it's a magentic field of some sort, which power can be estimated in numbers (and it was in order to launch rockets from the Earth, to land & get back from the Moon etc).

Evolution is a lil bit different. I don't really care how human being was created, studied it in school, but now i am more leaning towards, that we are what's left of life on Mars & Earth, that cud've existed mlns of years ago.

Gravity is a fact because it can be measured as a math. value, wherever u are, evolution cannot be demonstrated or recreated, therefore it cannot be proved, so it's still a theory and i don't really care about that.
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Well, if you plan on boycotting all entertainers related to scientology, then I suggest you brace for impact. The list is fairly big...

You might be surprised at who's on the list, I know I was.
Im not boycotting anything i just really really.. Really hate Scientology and the people who are involved, especially celebrities who use their position to recruit civilians which destroy their lives and their family.

I don't watch Tom Cruise movies because in my eyes hes pure evil, he may not mean bad but the people who programmed him did. I mean i still catch a episode or two of That 70's Show even tho Danny Masterson is in the Cult. Though he was raised that way, so i pity him more than anything.
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I think the breeding of animals, dogs for example, is a good recreation of evolution...
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I should perhaps explain a bit about why Lilleput and me as well hates Scientology so much..

Years back me and Lilleput (friends i real life) went to a Scientologi convention i Copenhagen as part of a school projects on cults and those kinds of minorities. As we entered the hall a woman from Scientology approached us instantly and embraced us with "Professional love". I have never felt someone as obnoxious and asskissing as her. Even though neither of us was old enough to actually become members or even take the test she insisted on giving us the grand tour to make sure we came back when we were old enough. All around the walls and stands were pictures of yachts and great mansions along with the occasional picture of Hubbard himself. When we asked her questions she replied with either with a question or acting unknowing. This became even worse when she felt that we were biased towards not liking Scientology. After spending about an hour wandering around listening to her about all the different things she had achieved after becoming a member we decided to leave with absolutely no useful material to use in our project. If we disliked Scientology before coming, we hated it now!.

I simply don't understand why people would join such an cult and let alone pay money for it!

Oh and on the way out we stoppede to look at some rather cool elevators, but that apperently pissed her off so we were escorted out.
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Question to non-americans, does Scientology have any influence or presence among european/british celebs? Its growing to become a huge annoyance in the US.
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Question to non-americans, does Scientology have any influence or presence among european/british celebs? Its growing to become a huge annoyance in the US.
I can't speak for other countries but in Denmark the only interaction 99.9% of people have with them is if they have to pass their chambers in Copenhagen and they got their minions on the street selling science fiction books.
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Gravity is a fact because it can be measured as a math. value, wherever u are, evolution cannot be demonstrated or recreated, therefore it cannot be proved, so it's still a theory and i don't really care about that.
I think he's getting at that we can't proove what causes gravity outside of the accumillation of mass. It is probably because gravity is such a weak force that it is hard to determine what causes it. We know gravity exists. We can describe its effects. But what is gravity?


The only religion that has anything similar to Scientology, in my opinion, is radical Islam. I say radical for a reason; because the two are the only religions that are actively preaching/practicing "destroying" their percieved enemies (I know the Islamic faith isn't really inherently violent, but there are a lot of assholes in the middle east). Scientology does it through harrasment and having enough money to bankrupt you if you try to sue them, radical Islam does it with a bomb. But I garuntee you that if Scientologists could get away with it, they'd use a bomb as well. Thankfully none of those Clearwater guys seem to make it over to this side of I-4.
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Wow. Just....wow. I'm all for freedom and existance of scientology don't bother me one bit, but those are some seriously demented folks.
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I think people need to be protected from such organizations,
religion and ideology is just another type of product one can sell to the general populacy, and it can be as hazardous as poisoned food.
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The story of Xenu is covered in OT III, part of Scientology's secret "Advanced Technology" doctrines taught only to advanced members. It is described in more detail in the accompanying confidential "Assists" lecture of 3 October 1968 and is dramatized in Revolt in the Stars (an unpublished screenplay written by L Ron Hubbard during the late 1970s). Direct quotations in this section are from these sources. (See also Scientology beliefs and practices)

Seventy-five million years ago, Xenu was the ruler of a Galactic Confederacy which consisted of 26 stars and 76 planets including Earth, which was then known as Teegeeack. The planets were overpopulated, each having an average population of 178 billion. The Galactic Confederacy's civilization was comparable to our own, with aliens "walking around in clothes which looked very remarkably like the clothes they wear this very minute" and using cars, trains and boats looking exactly the same as those "circa 1950, 1960" on Earth. Xenu was about to be deposed from power, so he devised a plot to eliminate the excess population from his dominions. With the assistance of "renegades", he defeated the populace and the "Loyal Officers", a force for good that was opposed to Xenu. Then, with the assistance of psychiatrists, he summoned billions of his citizens together to paralyze them with injections of alcohol and glycol, under the pretense that they were being called for "income tax inspections". The kidnapped populace was loaded into spacecraft for transport to the site of extermination, the planet of Teegeeack (Earth). The spacecraft were identical to the Douglas DC-8 with the exception of having different engines... And it goes on.

Sounds like a scifi movie plot, they should make a movie on that.
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I doubt even a B-production SciFi movie can have such a stupid plot.

Seriously, a huge technologically hyper-advanced interstellar empire
that's unable to think of a better way to solve its overpopulation problem,
than kidnapping hundreds of billions of its citizens, transporting them with
plane-like spacecraft ( they'd need at least tens of billions of such craft )
to Hawaii, and then bombarding the volcanoes?! with hydrogen bombs?!

That makes absolutely no sense to anyone who has a functional brain.
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That makes absolutely no sense to anyone who has a functional brain.
This is L. Ron Hubbard we're talking about, his whole career was based on B-class sci-fi and an irrational hatred of psychiatrists.

Did I mention that psychiatrists are (coincidentally, they assure you) considered the pawns of Xenu in Scientology texts? Amazing!
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