which steering wheel should i get for gt legends??

[osabros]

i've wanted to get a steering wheel for my PC for a while and now i finally have a reason - GT legends, and maybe GTR as well. i'm thinking of getting one of these:

Logitech WingMan Formula Force GP

53 USD. probably my best bet.

Logitech MOMO Force Feedback Racing Wheel

80 USD. a bit too expensive but if it's really worth it i'll get it.

the prices i got are from amazon.

so, does anyone here play GT legends and can tell me which one is the best for that game??
if you use another whell that you'd recommend please let me know.

[burnsy]

i would recommend this wheel as it's universal to use on the pc as well as the ps2. i have one, and it's great. bit steep in price for you i assume though, but well worth it.

Logitech® Driving Force™ Pro



> Logitech® Driving Force™ Pro
Unparalleled driving experience.
Steer, shift and brake expertly with award-winning 900-degree rotation wheel; feel every bump, pothole and collision with state-of-the-art force feedback technology.
Available in Black.

Features: 900° Rotation • Force Feedback • Gas/Brake Pedals • Rubber Grips

[jayhawk]

Originally Posted by burnsy

i would recommend this wheel as it's universal to use on the pc as well as the ps2. i have one, and it's great. bit steep in price for you i assume though, but well worth it.

I agree. Plus if youhave a PS2 it will work both on that and your PC. All you need to do is download the wingman drivers to make this wheel work on the PC. If you get the MOMO driving force pro it will only work on your PC.

[Xeon SX]

there has been so many topics about steering wheels, why create more?

[ryosuke]

don't go for the cheapest if you want to drive a sim...
the momo force and the dfp are some of the best consumer wheels at the moment.

[The_Finn]

i agree with the above i actually just picked up a driving force pro and i love it works super with the PS2 and (while i am having a bit of an issue with LFS) it has worked wonderfully with all my other PC race sims plus tigerdirect was just selling it for about $90 + S&H whick is a real steal

TF

[Mischief007]

DFP.

Might be getting rid of my Momo shortly. It has a lot of use behind it but I'd really want the DFP. Plus I found it for $128 CDN.

[osabros]

i don't have a PS2 so compatibility doesn't really matter to me. but if the wheel is designed for PS2 doesn't it mean it won't work properly on a PC?

[vRS]

Originally Posted by osabros

i don't have a PS2 so compatibility doesn't really matter to me. but if the wheel is designed for PS2 doesn't it mean it won't work properly on a PC?

Not really, it connects to the PS2 via the usb slot and on games like NFS:MW it works the same as it does on the PS2. DFP is really good, well made, steering is top notch.

[ryosuke]

its unofficially but fully integrated in the latest version of the logitech wingman software.
you can freely set the amount of rotation between 180 and 900° there, which is really cool.

[Hazardous]

Being an owner of a Momo Racing Force I'll give a few opinions on that.

- The wheel itself is very good. Haven't tested the DFP so I can't directly compare but I do like it. It's accurate, the 240 degrees of turning are enough for normal racing simulations, the force feedback works well(once you get used to the mechanism) and the paddles and buttons are positioned well. It also has the gearstick, which works great as a handbrake

- The pedals are a whole different story, though. The design of the pedal mechanics is such that the potentiometer of the throttle pedal will start moving in it's place and giving false figures, messing the calibration. What this means is that a the game registers a floored throttle only at 90%. Logitech will replace the pedals under guarantee but a) this is always a hassle and b) the guarantee will end some time. Admittedly I'm not 100% sure that the problem still exists on the new units, but I haven't heard about it being fixed either.

The pedals are not that great as game controllers either.


Overall, a good steering wheel is brought down by terrible pedals.

If I were to buy a new wheel now I'd either take an old second hand red MOMO Force(got one now, it's a great wheel with great pedals), or buy one of those black MOMOs now, use it until the pedals break down and get different pedals from somewhere. One way is by buying an old Microsoft wheel(for 15-25€) and use it's pedals, a combination I used for about a year and found pretty useable in simulations. (edit: oh, and before doing these I'd propably give the DFP a go, but I haven't heard that good opinions on it)

[POWERRR!!]

i made the mistake of going cheap and got myself a driving force (non PRO, only 200 degrees streering). it's a purchase i've regretted. don't get me wrong, the DP wheel is no slouch at all, but the 900 degree feature the DFP has is something to be missed if you're a serious driving simmer.

[Hazardous]

Originally Posted by POWERRR!!

i made the mistake of going cheap and got myself a driving force (non PRO, only 200 degrees streering). it's a purchase i've regretted. don't get me wrong, the DP wheel is no slouch at all, but the 900 degree feature the DFP has is something to be missed if you're a serious driving simmer.

I suppose it depends on the kinds of sims you play, but I have never thought I'd need 900 degrees of steering. In sims like GPL and GTR you need a fast steering, and you'll end up using only 180-270 degrees of it anyway.

[ryosuke]

Originally Posted by Hazardous

I suppose it depends on the kinds of sims you play, but I have never thought I'd need 900 degrees of steering. In sims like GPL and GTR you need a fast steering, and you'll end up using only 180-270 degrees of it anyway.

problem is that with a normal wheel you have around 200-260, which is not ernough even for GPL and GTR.
i drove GPL with a microsoft sidewinder and if i used linear steering, the repsonse around the deadzone was extreme...you couldn't even drive in a straight line. so steering had to be set to progressive, which is unrealistic and less predictable.
something around 360-520 is appropriate for most racecar simulations and gives you the best control. remember, you need the full radius only in hairpins, therefore on most bends you still have quick, but also very precise steering.
and for roadcars, even if you don't essentially need 900°, it certainly enhances the experience. thankfully, LFS lets you set the steering to linear, no matter what car you are in, so in the formula racers, LFS automatically only uses the 300 something degree that they have in reality, while roadcars use 720°. you don't even have to change the radius in the wingman software.

[AxlxA]

Okay, I've been using my Driving Force Pro for the past few months and I love it. I have played GT Legends(Deleted already because i'm not a fan of old cars), GTR(graphics was too poor and i needed hdd space), Toca Race Driver 3(I still think it's a rock solid game if you play at pro-sim levels), Live For Speed(I suck at this game. I can only drive FF), and my absolutely ALL TIME FAVORITE SIM: Richard Burns Rally. I'll take some more pictures of that...



The driving force pro works great. But you guys all talk about 900degree..... Out of the games I listed above, I can't get any of them to work at 900degree(is there some options I'm missing?) The only game i felt the true 900 is on GT4 for ps2, which I dont own or ever plan on owning.

I notice if you turn up force feedback all the way, I can barely hold on the steering wheel. Actually when i play with no force feedback, i do better times.

I'll post some pics of Richard Burns Rally for you all soon.

[AxlxA]

oh wow, so there are options to make it 900degree for any pc game. I just foudn that out today. I totally suck driving in LFS more than ever!

[The_Finn]

i say you wait till Oct and get the new super logitech wheel

LINKY

[osabros]

Originally Posted by The_Finn

i say you wait till Oct and get the new super logitech wheel

LINKY

that looks magnificent but 300 USD??? that's a bit steep compared to the DFP. thanx but i'm not that eager to play GT legends in a realistic way.

[Hazardous]

Originally Posted by ryosuke

problem is that with a normal wheel you have around 200-260, which is not ernough even for GPL and GTR.
i drove GPL with a microsoft sidewinder and if i used linear steering, the repsonse around the deadzone was extreme...you couldn't even drive in a straight line. so steering had to be set to progressive, which is unrealistic and less predictable.
something around 360-520 is appropriate for most racecar simulations and gives you the best control. remember, you need the full radius only in hairpins, therefore on most bends you still have quick, but also very precise steering.
and for roadcars, even if you don't essentially need 900°, it certainly enhances the experience. thankfully, LFS lets you set the steering to linear, no matter what car you are in, so in the formula racers, LFS automatically only uses the 300 something degree that they have in reality, while roadcars use 720°. you don't even have to change the radius in the wingman software.

OK, it's up to one's preference then. I've played GPL for years and never have thought of the fast steering as a handicap. I feel it's much easier to control the car with quite fast steering, so that you can react very rapidly when it's needed. The subtle adjustments are more often made with throttle and brake.