[13x03] February 4th, 2008

Viper007Bond · February 4th, 2008, 9:25 PM

http://www.finalgear.com/shows/fifthgear/13/3/

geeman · February 4th, 2008, 10:47 PM

No silly celeb bit. images/smilies/thumbup.gif

Warroad · February 4th, 2008, 10:52 PM

I didn't really like it. I don't know why. Nothing that I found interesting enough I guess.

The Maserati Gran Turismo is very very pretty though images/smilies/smile.gif

epp_b · February 4th, 2008, 11:03 PM

Woah, I forgot about it again! What a nice surprise! images/smilies/lol.gif

Viper007Bond · February 4th, 2008, 11:08 PM

7 I think. Nothing too outstanding, although the rally bit was quite entertaining. images/smilies/smile.gif

Handonam · February 4th, 2008, 11:33 PM

It's new but is it any good > crappy cars taking over regular segments

am i right, or am i right?

FordGT · February 5th, 2008, 12:22 AM

I really enjoyed this weeks episode! images/smilies/biggrin.gif

I gave it a 9.

Prost264 · February 5th, 2008, 1:08 AM

^ I did as well, this was fairly entertaining. The only part I skipped was Tiff's A3 crap.

GranTurismo + Lotus Carlton = a good programme.

awdrifter · February 5th, 2008, 2:45 AM

Still watching, but man, how much can Hyundai copy other carmakers? I30? As if copying the 1 series' style is not enough, they even mimic'd the name. lol.

Edit: Just finished watching it. The shootout is pretty good, even though the VXR is a big and heavy car, 411hp should be sufficient. Too bad with the new CAFE standard GM probably won't import it over.

I didn't really enjoy the rally either, maybe if they would've used the WRX it would be more interesting.

I kinda expected Tiff to not like the A4 Cab, it's fwd, it's underpowered and it doesn't have the looks of the Eos. So yea, it's nothing special.

Loved the look of the Maser GT, but if the specs they said in the show are right, it's only as quick as the much cheaper and much more practical VXR. Maser shouldn't have detuned the Ferrari engine so much, if they just dropped in the F430 V8 with all of it's 480hp, it would've been the perfect car.

MadCow809 · February 5th, 2008, 2:54 AM

today's ep is a bit boring.... : (

whats tiff doing in an audi? and i did not enjoy the endurance race segment a bit.

maserati review was decent though, as expected from jason.

mads · February 5th, 2008, 4:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geeman

No silly celeb bit. images/smilies/thumbup.gif

Cobol74 · February 5th, 2008, 5:08 AM

Liked it a lot, 8 from me.

It was nice to see the old Lotus Carlton - and I do remember the hoo haa when it was first released that kids would get them and drive about the place crashing them, now really, I thought it rot at the time.

Anglesea - holiday area in the UK - notice how it is nearly always wet there? images/smilies/lol.gif

Like the trialling - it is not rallying, different thing altogether and part of the point is to take old motors, did anyone see a scooby on the trial? No of course not. I loved scrutineering - has it got an MOT, thats about it?

If the Maser has a Ferrari then no wonder they detuned it - do not want a competitor, however it occurs to me - what is detuned can be tuned can it not?

As I have said - good show this week - keep it up FG.

That Diesel 'chip fat' pump - could do with one of them. 15p per litre!

DarkReaper · February 5th, 2008, 10:57 AM

If the maserati is using a ferrari V8 than they must have changed nearly everything on it, as the ferrari v8 uses a flat plane firing order, aka the double inline-4 sound, while maserati uses a cross plane firing order, the usual one.
So they must have fabricated an entirely new bottom end, the only thing they might have kept is the valve train.

Prez · February 5th, 2008, 1:15 PM

Nice show this week!! I'm not a big 5g fan, but this week it was good. 8/10

It was nice clean car show, no BS celebs and movie stunts and so on.

VXR8 vs Lotus Carlton shootout, nice images/smilies/cool.gif

More old dreamcars!!!

And i liked the race too. Very cool. I would like to participate the race, if i had a chance.

Tiff and Audi - good proper car review finally images/smilies/smile.gif

, and no drifting thank god!! I'm sick of seeing him only drift.

Maserati looks superb. images/smilies/love.gif

bartboy9891 · February 5th, 2008, 1:18 PM

Tiff used to do reviews for all kinds of cars, it's nice to see him review something a bit more "normal".

sith33 · February 5th, 2008, 3:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkReaper

If the maserati is using a ferrari V8 than they must have changed nearly everything on it, as the ferrari v8 uses a flat plane firing order, aka the double inline-4 sound, while maserati uses a cross plane firing order, the usual one.
So they must have fabricated an entirely new bottom end, the only thing they might have kept is the valve train.

Automobile magazine this month has an article on this engine, describing the different modifications done to it in the Maserati, Alfa 8c and Ferrari F430. On of the big differences is that in the ferrari they use a 180 degree crank, whereas in the other two it's a 90 degree crank.

They also mentioned that maserati is going to do a 4.7 litre version of the Granturismo, which might alleviate some of Jason's complaints.

JCE · February 5th, 2008, 5:55 PM

Good episode. The A3 bit was a bit boring--but so is the car I'd imagine. Not my kind of Audi. The race was a very good segment as was the shootout. The Gran Turismo review wasn't bad--but wasn't as entertaining as Jason's other reviews. I guess that's Maserati's fault for making a boring but beautiful car.

RichW · February 5th, 2008, 11:15 PM

Well.

VXR8 v Lotus Carlton - It had VBH in it. I notice that of all the sliding shots, they were 99% cut away from before she had control of the car. (i.e. drivne foward again) Says to me she spent most of the day spinning.

Mazda v Focus. Not bothered.

Trialing - Loved this. Firstly because they did well and they make a good double act. Secondly because it was O R I G I N A L. BBC havent done this. Did nt like Henderson referring to herself as a racing driver at the end though. smacked of one upmanship and shes NO racing driver of any note or quality!

Audi A3 - Im with Tiff, convertibles are crap. And this one is a car designed my marketing, not consumers so it looks shit too!

Maserati. Liked that too

Black Cab. Wasnt too long and sensible conclusion I think. 5G of old would of said "We need a new law introduced" Which as stated would increase costs and take away responsible parenting.

Big step in theright direction. 7.5/ 10

CrazyRussian540 · February 6th, 2008, 3:39 AM

LOL @ Johnny Smith telling people to check the oil in used Imprezas. I was half expecting him to say make sure no ones put 75w90NS oil into the engine.

Corvu · February 6th, 2008, 4:50 PM

I rather liked this episode

Pros:
Seeing the old Lotus Carlton
Beautiful Maserati GT
Johnny got me thinking about buying an Impreza again

Cons:
Tiff's segment was boring, please let this sweet driver have a drivers car
Could have picked a better car for the Tom and Johnny.... 50bhp?

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February 4th, 2008, 9:25 PM	#1
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February 4th, 2008, 10:47 PM	#2
geeman Joined: Apr 18th, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Finland Age: 23 Posts: 1,298 LFS Status: Rep Power: 62	No silly celeb bit. __________________ Stop chasing shadows, just enjoy the ride.

February 4th, 2008, 11:08 PM	#5
Viper007Bond Lazy Head Dude Joined: Sep 21st, 2003 Last Online: 2:36 AM Location: Portland, Oregon Age: 25 Posts: 22,268 Car: Dodge Viper (I wish!) Rep Power: 296	7 I think. Nothing too outstanding, although the rally bit was quite entertaining. __________________ There is no replacement for displacement. - Wolfgang Bernhard, Chief Operating Officer, Chrysler Group talking about the Dodge Viper SRT-10 ... I ask Herb Helbig, vehicle synthesis manager for SRT and a member of the original Team Viper development group since day one, if they'd ever thought of adding traction control. "It comes with two," he says, pointing at my feet. "Learn to use them." Got it. - Motor Trend on the 2006 Dodge Viper Coupe, November 2005

February 5th, 2008, 12:22 AM	#7
FordGT Joined: Jan 11th, 2005 Last Online: 2:23 AM Location: New York Posts: 139 Rep Power: 30	I really enjoyed this weeks episode! I gave it a 9.

February 4th, 2008, 10:52 PM	#3
Warroad Joined: Sep 4th, 2007 Last Online: August 3rd, 2009 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Age: 20 Posts: 5 Car: BMW 320i E46 '05 and an Audi A4 Convertible '04 Rep Power: 0	I didn't really like it. I don't know why. Nothing that I found interesting enough I guess. The Maserati Gran Turismo is very very pretty though

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epp_b Unexperienced lover. Joined: Jun 23rd, 2006 Last Online: 6:08 AM Location: Canadaland :) Posts: 7,418 Car: 1995 Nissan 240SX Rep Power: 144	Woah, I forgot about it again! What a nice surprise!

February 4th, 2008, 11:33 PM	#6
Handonam Joined: Apr 26th, 2005 Last Online: November 8th, 2009 Posts: 183 LFS Status: Rep Power: 19	It's new but is it any good > crappy cars taking over regular segments am i right, or am i right?

February 5th, 2008, 1:08 AM	#8
Prost264 Joined: Jun 30th, 2006 Last Online: 12:12 AM Location: Its Always Sunny in Philadelphia Age: 21 Posts: 2,617 Car: Mach 5 Rep Power: 42	^ I did as well, this was fairly entertaining. The only part I skipped was Tiff's A3 crap. GranTurismo + Lotus Carlton = a good programme.

February 5th, 2008, 2:45 AM	#9
awdrifter Joined: Aug 29th, 2004 Last Online: 3:09 AM Posts: 1,955 Rep Power: 47	Still watching, but man, how much can Hyundai copy other carmakers? I30? As if copying the 1 series' style is not enough, they even mimic'd the name. lol. Edit: Just finished watching it. The shootout is pretty good, even though the VXR is a big and heavy car, 411hp should be sufficient. Too bad with the new CAFE standard GM probably won't import it over. I didn't really enjoy the rally either, maybe if they would've used the WRX it would be more interesting. I kinda expected Tiff to not like the A4 Cab, it's fwd, it's underpowered and it doesn't have the looks of the Eos. So yea, it's nothing special. Loved the look of the Maser GT, but if the specs they said in the show are right, it's only as quick as the much cheaper and much more practical VXR. Maser shouldn't have detuned the Ferrari engine so much, if they just dropped in the F430 V8 with all of it's 480hp, it would've been the perfect car. __________________ TP Last edited by awdrifter; February 5th, 2008 at 3:33 AM.

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Cobol74 Joined: Mar 21st, 2006 Last Online: 12:46 AM Location: Southampton Posts: 8,592 Car: Vauxhall Zafira 1.9 TDI Slush box. Rep Power: 126	Liked it a lot, 8 from me. It was nice to see the old Lotus Carlton - and I do remember the hoo haa when it was first released that kids would get them and drive about the place crashing them, now really, I thought it rot at the time. Anglesea - holiday area in the UK - notice how it is nearly always wet there? Like the trialling - it is not rallying, different thing altogether and part of the point is to take old motors, did anyone see a scooby on the trial? No of course not. I loved scrutineering - has it got an MOT, thats about it? If the Maser has a Ferrari then no wonder they detuned it - do not want a competitor, however it occurs to me - what is detuned can be tuned can it not? As I have said - good show this week - keep it up FG. That Diesel 'chip fat' pump - could do with one of them. 15p per litre! __________________ Lotus 7 Registration Mark = KAR120C : Engine Number = 461034 TZ Ross Brawn genius or what? Last edited by Cobol74; February 5th, 2008 at 5:12 AM.

February 5th, 2008, 10:57 AM	#13
DarkReaper Joined: Dec 24th, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 927 Car: BMW635 '86,850CI '96\|MotoGuzzi California Rep Power: 33	If the maserati is using a ferrari V8 than they must have changed nearly everything on it, as the ferrari v8 uses a flat plane firing order, aka the double inline-4 sound, while maserati uses a cross plane firing order, the usual one. So they must have fabricated an entirely new bottom end, the only thing they might have kept is the valve train.

February 5th, 2008, 1:15 PM	#14
Prez Joined: Oct 9th, 2007 Last Online: March 1st, 2009 Location: Estonia Posts: 11 Car: GTI rip Rep Power: 0	Nice show this week!! I'm not a big 5g fan, but this week it was good. 8/10 It was nice clean car show, no BS celebs and movie stunts and so on. VXR8 vs Lotus Carlton shootout, nice More old dreamcars!!! And i liked the race too. Very cool. I would like to participate the race, if i had a chance. Tiff and Audi - good proper car review finally, and no drifting thank god!! I'm sick of seeing him only drift. Maserati looks superb.

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February 5th, 2008, 5:55 PM	#17
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February 5th, 2008, 11:15 PM	#18
RichW Joined: Sep 15th, 2005 Last Online: December 8th, 2008 Location: S London Posts: 211 Rep Power: 0	Well. VXR8 v Lotus Carlton - It had VBH in it. I notice that of all the sliding shots, they were 99% cut away from before she had control of the car. (i.e. drivne foward again) Says to me she spent most of the day spinning. Mazda v Focus. Not bothered. Trialing - Loved this. Firstly because they did well and they make a good double act. Secondly because it was O R I G I N A L. BBC havent done this. Did nt like Henderson referring to herself as a racing driver at the end though. smacked of one upmanship and shes NO racing driver of any note or quality! Audi A3 - Im with Tiff, convertibles are crap. And this one is a car designed my marketing, not consumers so it looks shit too! Maserati. Liked that too Black Cab. Wasnt too long and sensible conclusion I think. 5G of old would of said "We need a new law introduced" Which as stated would increase costs and take away responsible parenting. Big step in theright direction. 7.5/ 10 __________________ Yes, London! You know, fish, chips, cup o' tea, bad food, worse weather, Marry f**kin' Poppins!

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