[13x10] March 24th, 2008

Viper007Bond · March 24th, 2008, 10:30 PM

http://www.finalgear.com/shows/fifthgear/13/10/

Gibby · March 24th, 2008, 11:13 PM

A Great end to a Great Series!

Well Done Fifth Gear, lets hope the next Series is just as good.

Gib

fuzzmanmatt · March 24th, 2008, 11:25 PM

The "Massive" H3? I have to remember this is a British show, but still! It's not any bigger than a Land Rover, and the Toyota Land Cruiser is gargantuan compared to it! Absurd!

Cobol74 · March 24th, 2008, 11:34 PM

I liked the shoot out and the comparison performance testing of the Mini and the Renault. Good all around solid 8 this week from me. (Now when is TG, TG Aus. and Gear starting?)

/EDIT How have the average scores gone up this series I wonder - best series of FG I can recall?

teeb · March 24th, 2008, 11:47 PM

I've really enjoyed this series, Fifth Gear gone done good.

The episode was solid, as well - I quite like the fact that the Hummer got a kicking for being pretty crap, the shootout was fun, and the Geneva show was good, too - although the 'Honda Clarity FCX is the only non-diesel or petrol car' statement was a lie, as I'm fairly sure there were some 'leccy only cars there.

Viper007Bond · March 25th, 2008, 12:00 AM

Silverstar is gonna be sad about Tiff's STi review. images/smilies/sad.gif

ahpadt · March 25th, 2008, 12:05 AM

Shame that Jonny didnt visit the Lambo stand. images/smilies/sad.gif

Viper007Bond · March 25th, 2008, 12:19 AM

OH NOES THE H3 HAS LEAFSPRINGS!!!111ONE images/smilies/ohmy.gif

mitza4rally · March 25th, 2008, 12:34 AM

+ YouTube Video

And more racing stuff at http://www.youtube.com/user/mitza4rally:)

Viper007Bond · March 25th, 2008, 12:35 AM

Gave the episode a 9. Was pretty good.

mitza4rally · March 25th, 2008, 12:38 AM

+ YouTube Video

kekekeke · March 25th, 2008, 01:54 AM

johny really ripped into toyota

anti-net · March 25th, 2008, 02:01 AM

I really liked that epp, the shoot out was really good, I love both of those cars, I have to say I think I'd have the Focus, that wing on the Cossie is just too much.

Geneva bit was good, watching Johnny get man-handled by someone from Tata was funny.

Not surprised about the H3, its an SUV for carrying middle-class but slightly vulgar families around, not for driving up a welsh mountain. Plus it looks awful

anthrax · March 25th, 2008, 02:07 AM

That was a very nice episode...

Escort Cosworth X Focus RS was a nice endure

Regarding the H3 review, why not tying the stretcher up on the roof? images/smilies/tongue.gif

gregster · March 25th, 2008, 02:52 AM

Nice epp and good series, the H3 is used by the rescue team knowing if they need stretcher 'and presumably that happens often enough' that they have to walk back! Think they would have something to accommodate that situation, hat's off to them for volunteering though!
The STI is a little lame and soft by history standards or maybe it just comes across that way, Toyota are boring. no denying their success though.
Until next season
G

Vette Boss · March 25th, 2008, 02:57 AM

One of the better episodes of this series, a good ending I thought.

Mini v. Clio test was very good, informative and exciting. Not sure if it was scripted, but Plato should have missed that second cone.

Hummer H3 got the attention it deserved, it's cramped and a bit archaic compared to a Land Rover.

The review of the Impreza STi pretty much summed up my perceptions of the direction Subaru is going in. Making softer more tame cars, albeit quite fast ones in this case.

transtek · March 25th, 2008, 03:32 AM

Great ep and a fitting end to what, IMO, was a much better series than the last and which stands up well on its own merits as a very good "car show". Well done to Tiff and the gang.

That shootout was my perfect garage! OMG I still want an Escort Cosworth!! (I remember in the 90's there as a company importing them into the States).

The new Fiesta and Scirocco look really smart. And Ford Europe's cars are always really well-built. We get the Fiesta ST and Focus ST here, but, sadly, the new Mondeo will not be coming as we get the Fusion (not a bad car, but not on par with its European counterpart). If Ford want to make a big profit worldwide, the plants in the US should just make pick-ups, the Mustang and big SUVs, what they are good at, and import all their cars from Europe.

I was surprised to see the Euro Lancer (same as the one we get here), comes with leather, heated seats and diesel engines?? Only the 2.0 liter here so far, but we get the paddle-shift gearbox, although I have heard that the 2.0 is a bit pthetic, so we'll have to wait for the 2.4 liter Ralliart version or, if rich enough, the Evo X.

And the race at the end was really funny, really made me laugh watching Jason's face!

dino_martini · March 25th, 2008, 04:43 AM

Johnny has Toyota bang on. Where is their spirit?

I love that Tata Nano guy or what ever the hell the car was called. It sure looks like a crap car. The STI and shootout were a bit meh. Not a bad episode I guess

awdrifter · March 25th, 2008, 06:10 AM

Very good ep, one of the best of this season.

Cosworth vs RS, I knew the Cosworth is going to win. You just can't beat AWD. If the RS has AWD it might've been much closer. But man, this really shows the small hot hatch segment is stagnent, a car 10 years older beating a brand new model.

Mazda 6 vs Lancer. I wish we get that Mazda6 over here, our 6 is still running on the previous gen chassis. For a daily driver, I would probably agree with them a pic the 6.

STi. I knew Tiff wouldn't like it, and I think he's right. All these electronic controls are just gimmicks, Subaru needs to just short out the chassis and make the handling better through the suspension tuning and design instead of electronics.

Johnny's report at Geneva is pretty cool. I wouldn't mind seeing the Ford Fiesta and the VW Sirrocco being sold here, they are pretty cool cars. And LOL on the Tata Nano, "don't push it or we'll need to reapir it again", the quality is that bad? lol.

Clio Cup vs JCW Mini. I would pick the Clio Cup too, if it's available here. Maybe Nissan can make a similar version for their Versa. Strip it down, lower it a bit, wider wheels, and give it the Sentra SE-R's 180hp 2.5L engine, then we can have a car that's as fun as the Clio Cup in the US.

This ep was great, all the segments were good, definitely deserve a 9. But man, this is the last ep of the season, hopefully the NBC Gear will start soon. I need my motoring show fix. images/smilies/wink.gif

TomCat · March 25th, 2008, 07:26 AM

I think the Brits are very proud of their Defenders. They bash the H3 for having rear leafs, but at least it has IFS. The Defender really is an archaic design, not that there is anything wrong with that.

The interior space argument was kind of dumb. They didn't even need to test the car to know that the inside is smaller then a Defender. All they need is a brochure or a visit to the Hummer website to find that out.

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March 24th, 2008, 10:30 PM	#1
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March 24th, 2008, 11:13 PM	#2
Gibby Joined: Apr 3rd, 2006 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Camberley, England Age: 17 Posts: 398 Car: Not yet, a Land Rover Defender would be nice! Rep Power: 19	A Great end to a Great Series! Well Done Fifth Gear, lets hope the next Series is just as good. Gib __________________ Sorry if my Grammar and Spelling are rubbish, I am dyslexic so I can't really help it.

March 24th, 2008, 11:34 PM	#4
Cobol74 Joined: Mar 21st, 2006 Last Online: 01:39 AM Location: Southampton Posts: 5,827 Car: Vauxhall Zafira 1.9 TDI Slush box. Rep Power: 50	I liked the shoot out and the comparison performance testing of the Mini and the Renault. Good all around solid 8 this week from me. (Now when is TG, TG Aus. and Gear starting?) /EDIT How have the average scores gone up this series I wonder - best series of FG I can recall? __________________ Last edited by Cobol74; March 28th, 2008 at 10:52 PM..

March 24th, 2008, 11:47 PM	#5
teeb Joined: Sep 23rd, 2005 Last Online: 01:17 AM Location: Glasgow, Scotland. Bah. Age: 21 Posts: 2,203 Rep Power: 49	I've really enjoyed this series, Fifth Gear gone done good. The episode was solid, as well - I quite like the fact that the Hummer got a kicking for being pretty crap, the shootout was fun, and the Geneva show was good, too - although the 'Honda Clarity FCX is the only non-diesel or petrol car' statement was a lie, as I'm fairly sure there were some 'leccy only cars there. __________________ ...I'm meant to put something here?

March 24th, 2008, 11:25 PM	#3
fuzzmanmatt Joined: Feb 12th, 2007 Last Online: November 19th, 2008 Location: Michigan, United States Posts: 1 Car: 1994 Chevy Caprice Rep Power: 0	The "Massive" H3? I have to remember this is a British show, but still! It's not any bigger than a Land Rover, and the Toyota Land Cruiser is gargantuan compared to it! Absurd!

March 25th, 2008, 12:00 AM	#6
Viper007Bond Lazy Head Dude Joined: Sep 21st, 2003 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Portland, Oregon Age: 24 Posts: 20,993 Car: Dodge Viper (I wish!) Rep Power: 234	Silverstar is gonna be sad about Tiff's STi review. __________________ Fight back against the evil Quiky by +1'ing this post! There is no replacement for displacement. - Wolfgang Bernhard, Chief Operating Officer, Chrysler Group talking about the Dodge Viper SRT-10 ... I ask Herb Helbig, vehicle synthesis manager for SRT and a member of the original Team Viper development group since day one, if they'd ever thought of adding traction control. "It comes with two," he says, pointing at my feet. "Learn to use them." Got it. - Motor Trend on the 2006 Dodge Viper Coupe, November 2005

March 25th, 2008, 12:05 AM	#7
ahpadt Joined: May 7th, 2006 Last Online: 12:03 AM Location: The Norwaylands Posts: 2,505 Car: Want a 09 VW Scirocco badly Rep Power: 22	Shame that Jonny didnt visit the Lambo stand.

March 25th, 2008, 12:19 AM	#8
Viper007Bond Lazy Head Dude Joined: Sep 21st, 2003 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Portland, Oregon Age: 24 Posts: 20,993 Car: Dodge Viper (I wish!) Rep Power: 234	OH NOES THE H3 HAS LEAFSPRINGS!!!111ONE __________________ Fight back against the evil Quiky by +1'ing this post! There is no replacement for displacement. - Wolfgang Bernhard, Chief Operating Officer, Chrysler Group talking about the Dodge Viper SRT-10 ... I ask Herb Helbig, vehicle synthesis manager for SRT and a member of the original Team Viper development group since day one, if they'd ever thought of adding traction control. "It comes with two," he says, pointing at my feet. "Learn to use them." Got it. - Motor Trend on the 2006 Dodge Viper Coupe, November 2005

March 25th, 2008, 12:35 AM	#10
Viper007Bond Lazy Head Dude Joined: Sep 21st, 2003 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Portland, Oregon Age: 24 Posts: 20,993 Car: Dodge Viper (I wish!) Rep Power: 234	Gave the episode a 9. Was pretty good. __________________ Fight back against the evil Quiky by +1'ing this post! There is no replacement for displacement. - Wolfgang Bernhard, Chief Operating Officer, Chrysler Group talking about the Dodge Viper SRT-10 ... I ask Herb Helbig, vehicle synthesis manager for SRT and a member of the original Team Viper development group since day one, if they'd ever thought of adding traction control. "It comes with two," he says, pointing at my feet. "Learn to use them." Got it. - Motor Trend on the 2006 Dodge Viper Coupe, November 2005

March 25th, 2008, 01:54 AM	#12
kekekeke Joined: Aug 2nd, 2005 Last Online: November 30th, 2008 Posts: 871 Rep Power: 14	johny really ripped into toyota

March 25th, 2008, 02:01 AM	#13
anti-net Joined: Mar 17th, 2007 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Cornwall, UK and Birmingham, UK for uni Age: 19 Posts: 1,241 Rep Power: 18	I really liked that epp, the shoot out was really good, I love both of those cars, I have to say I think I'd have the Focus, that wing on the Cossie is just too much. Geneva bit was good, watching Johnny get man-handled by someone from Tata was funny. Not surprised about the H3, its an SUV for carrying middle-class but slightly vulgar families around, not for driving up a welsh mountain. Plus it looks awful __________________ My Twitter You'd be surprised how close it is. I've actually got 57 cubic feet of cheese in there, and if you covert cheese into dogs, that's 4.3 great Danes - J.Clarkson

March 25th, 2008, 02:07 AM	#14
anthrax Joined: Apr 15th, 2005 Last Online: December 2nd, 2008 Location: Sao Paulo, Brazil Posts: 18 Car: 2006 VW Polo Sedan 1.6 Flex Rep Power: 0	That was a very nice episode... Escort Cosworth X Focus RS was a nice endure Regarding the H3 review, why not tying the stretcher up on the roof? __________________ What doesn´t kill me makes me stronger!

March 25th, 2008, 02:52 AM	#15
gregster Joined: Jul 25th, 2006 Last Online: July 21st, 2008 Location: Toronto Canada Posts: 21 Car: Its new and the company pay for it! Rep Power: 0	Nice epp and good series, the H3 is used by the rescue team knowing if they need stretcher 'and presumably that happens often enough' that they have to walk back! Think they would have something to accommodate that situation, hat's off to them for volunteering though! The STI is a little lame and soft by history standards or maybe it just comes across that way, Toyota are boring. no denying their success though. Until next season G

March 25th, 2008, 02:57 AM	#16
Vette Boss Joined: Nov 14th, 2004 Last Online: 04:55 AM Location: United States, Britain, in time Age: 22 Posts: 2,983 Car: Nissan Altima 3.5-litre SE Rep Power: 34	One of the better episodes of this series, a good ending I thought. Mini v. Clio test was very good, informative and exciting. Not sure if it was scripted, but Plato should have missed that second cone. Hummer H3 got the attention it deserved, it's cramped and a bit archaic compared to a Land Rover. The review of the Impreza STi pretty much summed up my perceptions of the direction Subaru is going in. Making softer more tame cars, albeit quite fast ones in this case. __________________ 2003 Nissan Altima 3.5SE SHIFT_the future

March 25th, 2008, 03:32 AM	#17
transtek Joined: Jan 16th, 2004 Last Online: November 21st, 2008 Location: mexico-land of tequila and big hats (but secretly Age: 38 Posts: 321 Car: Nissan Pathfinder, Chevrolet Monza, Ninja 600 Rep Power: 20	Great ep and a fitting end to what, IMO, was a much better series than the last and which stands up well on its own merits as a very good "car show". Well done to Tiff and the gang. That shootout was my perfect garage! OMG I still want an Escort Cosworth!! (I remember in the 90's there as a company importing them into the States). The new Fiesta and Scirocco look really smart. And Ford Europe's cars are always really well-built. We get the Fiesta ST and Focus ST here, but, sadly, the new Mondeo will not be coming as we get the Fusion (not a bad car, but not on par with its European counterpart). If Ford want to make a big profit worldwide, the plants in the US should just make pick-ups, the Mustang and big SUVs, what they are good at, and import all their cars from Europe. I was surprised to see the Euro Lancer (same as the one we get here), comes with leather, heated seats and diesel engines?? Only the 2.0 liter here so far, but we get the paddle-shift gearbox, although I have heard that the 2.0 is a bit pthetic, so we'll have to wait for the 2.4 liter Ralliart version or, if rich enough, the Evo X. And the race at the end was really funny, really made me laugh watching Jason's face! __________________

March 25th, 2008, 04:43 AM	#18
dino_martini Joined: May 15th, 2005 Last Online: November 26th, 2008 Location: Calgary Alberta Canada Posts: 276 Car: 2007 Saab 9-3 Aero Rep Power: 15	Johnny has Toyota bang on. Where is their spirit? I love that Tata Nano guy or what ever the hell the car was called. It sure looks like a crap car. The STI and shootout were a bit meh. Not a bad episode I guess __________________ Im even heating the passenger seat for no good reason other than to burn fuel - Clarkson

March 25th, 2008, 06:10 AM	#19
awdrifter Joined: Aug 29th, 2004 Last Online: 04:03 AM Posts: 1,499 Rep Power: 26	Very good ep, one of the best of this season. Cosworth vs RS, I knew the Cosworth is going to win. You just can't beat AWD. If the RS has AWD it might've been much closer. But man, this really shows the small hot hatch segment is stagnent, a car 10 years older beating a brand new model. Mazda 6 vs Lancer. I wish we get that Mazda6 over here, our 6 is still running on the previous gen chassis. For a daily driver, I would probably agree with them a pic the 6. STi. I knew Tiff wouldn't like it, and I think he's right. All these electronic controls are just gimmicks, Subaru needs to just short out the chassis and make the handling better through the suspension tuning and design instead of electronics. Johnny's report at Geneva is pretty cool. I wouldn't mind seeing the Ford Fiesta and the VW Sirrocco being sold here, they are pretty cool cars. And LOL on the Tata Nano, "don't push it or we'll need to reapir it again", the quality is that bad? lol. Clio Cup vs JCW Mini. I would pick the Clio Cup too, if it's available here. Maybe Nissan can make a similar version for their Versa. Strip it down, lower it a bit, wider wheels, and give it the Sentra SE-R's 180hp 2.5L engine, then we can have a car that's as fun as the Clio Cup in the US. This ep was great, all the segments were good, definitely deserve a 9. But man, this is the last ep of the season, hopefully the NBC Gear will start soon. I need my motoring show fix. __________________ TP

March 25th, 2008, 07:26 AM	#20
TomCat Joined: Dec 11th, 2005 Last Online: 04:47 AM Location: Chandler, Arizona Age: 24 Posts: 3,318 Car: 2004 Chrysler PT Turbo; 1985 Toyota 4Runner Rep Power: 40	I think the Brits are very proud of their Defenders. They bash the H3 for having rear leafs, but at least it has IFS. The Defender really is an archaic design, not that there is anything wrong with that. The interior space argument was kind of dumb. They didn't even need to test the car to know that the inside is smaller then a Defender. All they need is a brochure or a visit to the Hummer website to find that out. __________________ When in doubt, throttle out.