FINALLY!!

HondaF1 · March 30th, 2007, 11:20 PM

Traction control banned from 2008

Friday, 30, March, 2007, 17:24

Traction control will be banned from the start of next season as part of a rules shake-up aimed at reducing the impact of driver aids in Formula 1.

The decision to outlaw the most prominent – and unpopular – electronic ‘gizmo’ was rubber-stamped by the FIA at a meeting of the World Motor Sport Council earlier this week, having been agreed by all teams.

Article 9.3 of the revised technical regulations states: “No car may be equipped with a system or device which is capable of preventing the driven wheels from spinning under power or of compensating for excessive throttle demand by the driver.

“Any device or system which notifies the driver of the onset of wheelspin is not permitted.”

Traction control first became widely used on F1 cars in the early 1990s, but soon sparked criticism that it detracted from the spectacle and diminished the driver’s contribution.

It was reintroduced in 2001 because allegations were rife that teams were circumventing the ban with sophisticated engine management systems.

But the move to a standardised electronic control unit (ECU) from next year should enable the FIA to enforce a ban much more effectively – although the governing body is already alert to the need to close any potential loopholes.

Thus, Article 9.2.4 states: “Designs or systems which…are designed to, or have the effect of, adjusting or otherwise influencing the amount, or rate, of engagement being demanded by the FIA ECU, are not permitted.”

The FIA has also outlawed the use of systems which help the drivers locate the clutch bite point prior to the start of a race.

Such systems were developed to counteract the ban on launch control, which was put in place ahead of the 2004 season.

The WMSC decided against a mooted move back to wide-track chassis and slick tyres, instead preferring to stick with the current 1800mm width dimensions that have been in place since 1998.

Plans to introduce bodywork homologation, whereby teams would be permitted to make only two modifications per year, have also been dropped.

fbc · March 31st, 2007, 12:32 AM

Oh. Yes.

Best thing to happen to F1 for a number of years.

Donington · March 31st, 2007, 1:05 AM

Thank god!

HondaF1 · March 31st, 2007, 1:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HondaF1

The FIA has also outlawed the use of systems which help the drivers locate the clutch bite point prior to the start of a race.

Such systems were developed to counteract the ban on launch control, which was put in place ahead of the 2004 season.

The WMSC decided against a mooted move back to wide-track chassis and slick tyres, instead preferring to stick with the current 1800mm width dimensions that have been in place since 1998.

Those two things are interesting. Firstly the clutch bite point. This will make starts much better. More chance of wheelspin and a bad start.

Second one, I don't like. Didnt want to believe it when Autosport said it, but itv-f1.com have said it too. There goes the slick tyres then!! images/smilies/sad.gif

ryosuke · March 31st, 2007, 1:53 AM

they should go further an ban aerodynamics as well as advertisements.

oh, sorry, wrong forum again. images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Sausageman · March 31st, 2007, 3:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HondaF1

The WMSC decided against a mooted move back to wide-track chassis and slick tyres, instead preferring to stick with the current 1800mm width dimensions that have been in place since 1998.

That's shit.

Hazardous · March 31st, 2007, 8:57 AM

The removal of traction control is, of course, a fantastic thing. It'll be interesting to see how who can adapt well and who can't. Especially Alonso, whose current style is to just stomp on the throttle on corner exit and let the traction control sort things out.

Apart from that, looking at the 2008 technical regulations it looks like all WMSC did was remove all the previously made changes and revert them back to same spec as we have this year. The old version had wider cars, wings, tyres and bigger overhangs and many other smaller changes but now it's pretty much the same as this year. I think the point for sticking with the current rules is the fact that customer chassis are allowed in 2008 and the new rules would've outlawed this year's cars. Shame, as increased width and tyre size plus the move to slicks could've really improved the look of the cars...

watto · March 31st, 2007, 9:15 AM

Woo hoo! Finally, when they put too much boot into it, they'll pay for it instead of having limited power for a little bit and going.

Woo!

Hercules286 · March 31st, 2007, 9:17 AM

Har har finally indeed. images/smilies/biggrin.gif

epp_b · March 31st, 2007, 8:27 PM

Yes! It's about time.

Next to go: ABS

Please? images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Hazardous · March 31st, 2007, 8:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epp_b

Yes! It's about time.

Next to go: ABS

ABS?

ABS has been illegal since 1993, mate images/smilies/wink.gif

HondaF1 · March 31st, 2007, 9:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epp_b

Yes! It's about time.

Next to go: ABS

Please? images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hazardous

ABS?

ABS has been illegal since 1993, mate images/smilies/wink.gif

Think so.

-Cpt. J.- · March 31st, 2007, 10:07 PM

Honestly now. Did any of you actually believe that slick tyres would return?
All these efforts FIA is making to slow down the cars and you think they would allow Slicks? Get real.

HondaF1 · March 31st, 2007, 11:18 PM

I did, cos they were in the 2008 rule changes done by the FIA

Alex_0700 · April 1st, 2007, 3:01 AM

Good news indeed. I bet there'll be some big repair bills in the beginning as drivers get used to no TC.

Red_Bull · April 1st, 2007, 7:31 AM

Its good news but I dont think it will change much. The drivers arent such stupid clots that they'll just mash the throttle and spin like a top. Hazardous, you claim Alonso will struggle...I doubt it. And Button won't win the WDC because of his tendency to treat the throttle like it has an egg under it.

Hazardous · April 1st, 2007, 8:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red_Bull

Its good news but I dont think it will change much. The drivers arent such stupid clots that they'll just mash the throttle and spin like a top. Hazardous, you claim Alonso will struggle...I doubt it. And Button won't win the WDC because of his tendency to treat the throttle like it has an egg under it.

I didn't really claim that Alonso would struggle, just that it will be interesting to see how fast he'll adapt images/smilies/tongue.gif

In truth, I don't expect him to have a major problem with it. But I do believe this will benefit some drivers more than others. The effect propably won't be counted in seconds, but I'm sure it will. You brought up Button, and I think he will be one of the bigger winners, since his throttle control is known to be one of the best around.

Sausageman · April 1st, 2007, 9:51 AM

There will be a few mistakes at the back of the grid, nothing spectacular. I don't really expect the best drivers in the world to have much of a problem.

Spazatao · April 1st, 2007, 7:20 PM

Traction control out? Hum... Kovaleinen must thank that's only for '08... images/smilies/lol.gif

Buktu · April 1st, 2007, 8:22 PM

18#

They're still humans, driving 600kg cars with 800bhp engines. Mistakes will happen. And more mistakes, means more chances for the others to overtake. Which is good for us.. images/smilies/smile.gif

It's a shame that slicks are out, but banning TC is great. It's going to be interesting to see who adapts the fastest, and who comes out on top.

March 30th, 2007, 11:20 PM	#1
HondaF1 Aussie Bastard Joined: Dec 8th, 2006 Last Online: May 12th, 2008 Location: SCOTLAND Age: 27 Posts: 4,205 Car: First Aberdeen Bus Network Rep Power: 21	FINALLY!! Traction control banned from 2008 Friday, 30, March, 2007, 17:24 Traction control will be banned from the start of next season as part of a rules shake-up aimed at reducing the impact of driver aids in Formula 1. The decision to outlaw the most prominent – and unpopular – electronic ‘gizmo’ was rubber-stamped by the FIA at a meeting of the World Motor Sport Council earlier this week, having been agreed by all teams. Article 9.3 of the revised technical regulations states: “No car may be equipped with a system or device which is capable of preventing the driven wheels from spinning under power or of compensating for excessive throttle demand by the driver. “Any device or system which notifies the driver of the onset of wheelspin is not permitted.” Traction control first became widely used on F1 cars in the early 1990s, but soon sparked criticism that it detracted from the spectacle and diminished the driver’s contribution. It was reintroduced in 2001 because allegations were rife that teams were circumventing the ban with sophisticated engine management systems. But the move to a standardised electronic control unit (ECU) from next year should enable the FIA to enforce a ban much more effectively – although the governing body is already alert to the need to close any potential loopholes. Thus, Article 9.2.4 states: “Designs or systems which…are designed to, or have the effect of, adjusting or otherwise influencing the amount, or rate, of engagement being demanded by the FIA ECU, are not permitted.” The FIA has also outlawed the use of systems which help the drivers locate the clutch bite point prior to the start of a race. Such systems were developed to counteract the ban on launch control, which was put in place ahead of the 2004 season. The WMSC decided against a mooted move back to wide-track chassis and slick tyres, instead preferring to stick with the current 1800mm width dimensions that have been in place since 1998. Plans to introduce bodywork homologation, whereby teams would be permitted to make only two modifications per year, have also been dropped. __________________ I am the Honda F1 team's number one fan.... and number 2, and number 3, and 4....

March 31st, 2007, 12:32 AM	#2
fbc Moderator Joined: Jan 8th, 2005 Last Online: November 11th, 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 34 Posts: 11,776 Car: 2006 MY07 Astra SRi Turbo Rep Power: 128	Oh. Yes. Best thing to happen to F1 for a number of years. __________________ www.sniffpetrol.com

March 31st, 2007, 1:53 AM	#5
ryosuke Joined: Jul 28th, 2005 Last Online: November 15th, 2008 Location: franconofurd, germsmany Age: 24 Posts: 1,618 Car: FZ50 GTR Rep Power: 19	they should go further an ban aerodynamics as well as advertisements. oh, sorry, wrong forum again. __________________ Goddo supiido yuu! Burakku emparaa

March 31st, 2007, 9:17 AM	#9
Hercules286 Previously Known As petarkb Joined: Feb 12th, 2007 Last Online: August 6th, 2009 Location: Sofia, Bulgaria Posts: 1,663 Rep Power: 54	Har har finally indeed. __________________ It's called a floorstander, not a desktop. Get on with the times!

March 31st, 2007, 11:18 PM	#14
HondaF1 Aussie Bastard Joined: Dec 8th, 2006 Last Online: May 12th, 2008 Location: SCOTLAND Age: 27 Posts: 4,205 Car: First Aberdeen Bus Network Rep Power: 21	I did, cos they were in the 2008 rule changes done by the FIA __________________ I am the Honda F1 team's number one fan.... and number 2, and number 3, and 4....

March 31st, 2007, 1:05 AM	#3
Donington Joined: Jan 26th, 2007 Last Online: 6:31 AM Location: Now in Plymouth, Englandshire Age: 20 Posts: 4,263 Rep Power: 176	Thank god!

March 31st, 2007, 8:57 AM	#7
Hazardous Joined: Sep 7th, 2004 Last Online: 12:35 PM Location: Southern Finland Age: 25 Posts: 1,494 Car: None :/ Rep Power: 32	The removal of traction control is, of course, a fantastic thing. It'll be interesting to see how who can adapt well and who can't. Especially Alonso, whose current style is to just stomp on the throttle on corner exit and let the traction control sort things out. Apart from that, looking at the 2008 technical regulations it looks like all WMSC did was remove all the previously made changes and revert them back to same spec as we have this year. The old version had wider cars, wings, tyres and bigger overhangs and many other smaller changes but now it's pretty much the same as this year. I think the point for sticking with the current rules is the fact that customer chassis are allowed in 2008 and the new rules would've outlawed this year's cars. Shame, as increased width and tyre size plus the move to slicks could've really improved the look of the cars...

March 31st, 2007, 9:15 AM	#8
watto Unloved and lacking a title Joined: Jun 13th, 2005 Last Online: November 16th, 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 24 Posts: 5,707 Car: MY06 Impreza 2.0R Hatch Rep Power: 73	Woo hoo! Finally, when they put too much boot into it, they'll pay for it instead of having limited power for a little bit and going. Woo!

March 31st, 2007, 8:27 PM	#10
epp_b Unexperienced lover. Joined: Jun 23rd, 2006 Last Online: 9:45 PM Location: Canadaland :) Posts: 7,423 Car: 1995 Nissan 240SX Rep Power: 144	Yes! It's about time. Next to go: ABS Please?

March 31st, 2007, 10:07 PM	#13
-Cpt. J.- Joined: Aug 3rd, 2006 Last Online: 2:59 PM Location: Bar stool Age: 25 Posts: 1,211 Car: Drunken Pedestrian Rep Power: 16	Honestly now. Did any of you actually believe that slick tyres would return? All these efforts FIA is making to slow down the cars and you think they would allow Slicks? Get real.

April 1st, 2007, 3:01 AM	#15
Alex_0700 Joined: Mar 15th, 2005 Last Online: 4:24 PM Location: Bulgaria / Washington, DC Posts: 177 Car: BMW 530i Rep Power: 20	Good news indeed. I bet there'll be some big repair bills in the beginning as drivers get used to no TC. __________________

April 1st, 2007, 7:31 AM	#16
Red_Bull Joined: Jan 11th, 2007 Last Online: 5:01 PM Location: Adelaide, Australia Age: 22 Posts: 3,923 Car: Holden Commodore VS Rep Power: 95	Its good news but I dont think it will change much. The drivers arent such stupid clots that they'll just mash the throttle and spin like a top. Hazardous, you claim Alonso will struggle...I doubt it. And Button won't win the WDC because of his tendency to treat the throttle like it has an egg under it. __________________ Results from October

April 1st, 2007, 9:51 AM	#18
Sausageman Joined: May 18th, 2006 Last Online: November 3rd, 2008 Location: Sydney Posts: 278 Rep Power: 0	There will be a few mistakes at the back of the grid, nothing spectacular. I don't really expect the best drivers in the world to have much of a problem.

April 1st, 2007, 7:20 PM	#19
Spazatao Joined: May 10th, 2006 Last Online: 3:44 PM Location: Lyon, France. Missing Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.. Age: 22 Posts: 860 Car: Taxis Rep Power: 18	Traction control out? Hum... Kovaleinen must thank that's only for '08...

April 1st, 2007, 8:22 PM	#20
Buktu Joined: Nov 14th, 2005 Last Online: 4:08 PM Location: Denmark Age: 20 Posts: 800 Car: Suzuki Swift 1.3 2006 Rep Power: 21	18# They're still humans, driving 600kg cars with 800bhp engines. Mistakes will happen. And more mistakes, means more chances for the others to overtake. Which is good for us.. It's a shame that slicks are out, but banning TC is great. It's going to be interesting to see who adapts the fastest, and who comes out on top.

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