SILLY SEASON 2009/2010

[justvisiting]

Kimi's figure was a big lump deal, that was made on speculation. Ferrari probably thought well worth it winning both championships in 2007 on the first try. Also Kimi has had a lot of good sponsorship deals as well. So he def makes good money.

As for the rest, its a bit of their fault in the negotiation departments. You get what people are willing to pay OR what you want. Aside from the basic salaries though, I'm sure they also worked out a lot of other things that eventually balance people out. ie: rubens, less pay - just to race last year. A lot of the drivers just want to drive, thats reward enough.

Those who make no money are probably bringing sponsorship to the team/ paying for the drive (nakajima/toyota)

This is probably why kimis decision is so in doubt right now. Hes wondering if the drive is still exciting enough to motivate him w/o all that money. Rallying with less money is new and exciting, but F1 will give him at least a few million. Retirement with all his money, and just chillin sounds good too!

[Necx0]

Just a quick thought, I don't think many other drivers would actually want Kimi to take a substantial pay cut. He probably should, and probably will, but I can see many other teams coming out with "Well, look Kimi took a $10million pay cut, I don't think we can offer much money".

One other thing, I mentioned in my 2009 Summary that Brawn probably got the bargain of the year with Rubens but fuck, I didn't think it would be THAT much of a bargain!! If he keeps signing for that amount he might have to sell his private jet!

[be-ach]

Originally Posted by Necx0

Just a quick thought, I don't think many other drivers would actually want Kimi to take a substantial pay cut. He probably should, and probably will, but I can see many other teams coming out with "Well, look Kimi took a $10million pay cut, I don't think we can offer much money".

One other thing, I mentioned in my 2009 Summary that Brawn probably got the bargain of the year with Rubens but fuck, I didn't think it would be THAT much of a bargain!! If he keeps signing for that amount he might have to sell his private jet!

I think Rubens made plenty of money of a certain red packed cigarette company a few years back

[Jocó]

Originally Posted by Necx0

One other thing, I mentioned in my 2009 Summary that Brawn probably got the bargain of the year with Rubens but fuck, I didn't think it would be THAT much of a bargain!! If he keeps signing for that amount he might have to sell his private jet!

Well, Honda didn't even want to retain him at the end of last season so I think Rubens was just happy to keep his drive and didn't have much say in salary issues.

[justvisiting]

"Too expensive," the Englishman said of Räikkönen. "His management negotiate as if there is no seperation from Ferrari."

Ross Brawn on Kimi for 2010

this is interesting, because he makes it sound like kimi's management is in control of the negotiation, implying the driver only chooses to accept or not accept.

Kimi has already made it clear McLaren is the only option, and he'd like the seat- Why can't he work out a reasonable price? and bAM - we are all relieved. There is no way anyone would want to pay the 25 mil, he should be asking 9.5 -10m. 12m tops.

[Dr_Grip]

I don't think Ross Brawn meant to implicate that. His partner in the negotiations is the management, of course. If he would be to talk to the driver, no management would be needed. Additionally, any price Kimi could ask would be more than Rubens got this year, so we got to keep this in perspective.

[Walsh_e]

For me it was something Martin Brundle said on BBC F1 Forum that made me think about Kimi's situation which went along the lines of "You never get tired of racing, what wears you down the the travel, press conferences and sponsorship events". We all know that Kimi has never been a fan of anything about F1 apart from racing every other Sunday, his agents will be trying to get the best deal for themselves/him as close to the Ferrari contract as they can get, for me if Kimi wasn't to stay in F1, rallying would be perfect for him, you go racing for the weekend and have a lot less involvement with the press and sponsorship (even thou Kimi could probably afford to run his own car without sponsorship).

I would like him to stay in the sport but for me it just doesn't seem to be a major priority to be racing in F1, as long as he is in a racing series where he can win he would be happy.

[Cold Fussion]

No, he wants to be winning in the top racing series, and that is formula 1 and wrc.

[Kiskaloo]

Originally Posted by justvisiting

Kimi has already made it clear McLaren is the only option, and he'd like the seat- Why can't he work out a reasonable price? and bAM - we are all relieved. There is no way anyone would want to pay the 25 mil, he should be asking 9.5 -10m. 12m tops.

Well supposedly Ferrari will pay him $20 million to not race in F1 next year for another team, so I can understand why he is not interested in taking what would amount to "half pay" to stay in F1, especially if his heart really isn't in it.

[D-Fence]

Official Ferrari homepage:

Maranello, 4 November 2009 – It could be seen as a parody of “Ten Little Indians,” the detective novel by Agatha Christie, first published in England back in 1939, but the reality is much more serious. Formula 1 continues to lose major players: in the past twelve months, Honda, BMW, Bridgestone and, only this morning, Toyota, have announced they are leaving the sport. In exchange, so to speak, we will now have, Manor, Lotus (at least in name only, as this incarnation has little to do with the team that gave us Colin Chapman, Jim Clark and Ayrton Senna to name but a few,) USF1 and Campos Meta. Can we claim that it’s a case of like for like, just because the numbers sitting around the table are the same? Hardly and we must also wait and see just how many of them will really be there on the grid for the first race of next season in Bahrain and how many will still be there at the end of 2010.

The reality is that this gradual defection from the F1 fold has more to do with a war waged against the major car manufacturers by those who managed Formula 1 over the past few years, than the result of any economic crisis.

In Christie’s work of fiction, the guilty party was only uncovered when all the other characters died, one after the other. Do we want to wait for this to happen or do we want to pen a different ending to the book on Formula 1?

[TBoneUs]

Wow that's strong and very frank, especially directly from a team

[MattD1zzl3]

Does anything else imagine nick heidfeld laughing at bobby kubica tonight?

Who'se out of a drive NOW? Eh robert? How the tables have turned....

[stevanford1]

Originally Posted by MattD1zzl3

Does anything else imagine nick heidfeld laughing at bobby kubica tonight?

Who'se out of a drive NOW? Eh robert? How the tables have turned....

Why would he laugh ?

[MattD1zzl3]

Because 24 hours ago nick heidfeld was out of a job and robert kubica was looking at a stable, safe drive with a team that had recently re-affirmed its commitment to formula one.

[devil500]

What makes you think Nick is in a better position? If Renault bails out Kubica profits because he has already signed a contract, and just look for a new drive.

[MattD1zzl3]

Toyota signed a contract saying it was commited to f1 until 2012

[stevanford1]

Renault hasn't pulled out yet.

[devil500]

Originally Posted by MattD1zzl3

Toyota signed a contract saying it was commited to f1 until 2012

They broke that contract so the FIA is going to court with them. So the same logic applies with Kubica, and anybody else. If Renault pulls out Kubica is payed damages, and once again on the market.

[A7XFan22]

Trulli to Lotus Malaysia F1?

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Lotus an option for Jarno Trulli

Jarno Trulli has admitted he could imagine switching to the new Malaysian-owned team Lotus F1.

The Italian veteran, unlikely to retain his seat at Toyota beyond this season according to team president John Howett, has already been linked with a move to Lotus.

Trulli said the fact that the experienced Mike Gascoyne is involved with Lotus makes the team a viable option.

"I have worked together with Mike in three different teams," he told f1mania.net referring to Jordan, Renault and Toyota. "I would have no problem going to a new team, if he has a leading role.”

[MattD1zzl3]

I am comfortable calling the new lotus "Lotus", they paid for the rights to use the name so they should go right ahead and do it.

Its not like a ferrari f1 car and a renault f1 car are all that differant anyway. if we were still in the age of v8 vs v12, turbo vs NA maybe i would complain, but they earned the right to put lotus stickers on their car in my opinion.

Zombie Ayrton Senna can kiss my american ass.