Which 2009 F1 rookies deserve a 2010 drive?

A7XFan22 · November 2nd, 2009, 10:04 PM

See poll.

Karoug · November 2nd, 2009, 10:33 PM

Obviously Kobayashi, and maybe Buemi

fbc · November 2nd, 2009, 11:22 PM

Kobayashi has been a huge surprise, so hopefully he'll be around next year.

Jocó · November 2nd, 2009, 11:28 PM

Kobayashi has been a huge surprise indeed, especially as I watched all of his GP2 races in the last two years. He didn't really stand out to say the least, he had his moments and could be very fast, but I'd never have thought that he would be this impressive.

melbournian · November 2nd, 2009, 11:37 PM

Definitely Kobayashi, he's quite entertaining and has done quite well. I would also like to see Buemi continue in F1 next year. I think he has shown some really good performances this year (Shanghai springs to mind) and will continue to improve.

Mytola · November 3rd, 2009, 12:07 AM

Kobayashi, definately. He looks really racy, he's not afraid to challenge people on the track, and his pace is excellent.

be-ach · November 3rd, 2009, 12:11 AM

Buemi has shown a lot of growth over the course of the year and I think is definitely a driver to watch in the future, he deserves a ride. Kobayashi also definitely earned his spot in the last two races, and made Trulli look awful in the process by beating him in Abu Dhabi.

Though I didn't vote for Jamie or Romain, I also think its worth noting that this year Kobayashi was the exception as far as coming into the car in the season and having any real success. Proven-ish drivers couldn't do it for ferrari and Liuzzi wasn't very impressive for FI. So I'm not sure that it's entirely fair to base the worth of those drivers on this season, I'll wait for the ridiculously limited winter testing to make my mind up on that.

PS- Every time I think of the shittyness that will be how short the winter test allocation is, I want to go and yell at Bernie. Rookie drivers in particular NEED that time to not only earn a spot but gain experience.

zephyrus17 · November 3rd, 2009, 12:12 AM

And from the GP2 races, it can be seen that you can't judge an F1 driver based on GP2 or Formula Ford whatever performances (Bordais, Piquet). Sometimes it just clicks and sometimes it doesn't.

MadCow809 · November 3rd, 2009, 2:35 AM

Koba and Boo-amy only.

vikiradTG2007 · November 3rd, 2009, 5:13 AM

Buemi made his name a bit this year as consistently quick, but rather error-prone. He'll likely get a seat next year, he deserves one in order to hone his racecraft and he might be someone to watch out. Maybe not for a Championship, but for the odd win here and there.

Kobayashi's really been a massive surprise in the two races he's done. He basically jumped in and drove his heart out, made a couple of mistakes, like his incident with Nakajima in the pits, but his race in Abu Dhabi was nothing short of a blinder. If Toyota stay in F1, they'd be mad not to put him into a seat; if they leave, then another team HAS to snap him up to a race seat.

ladora · November 3rd, 2009, 11:25 AM

Kobayashi and Buemi, definitely!

NooDle · November 3rd, 2009, 2:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fbc

Kobayashi has been a huge surprise, so hopefully he'll be around next year.

true, and I also voted for him, but to be fair, he only did 2 races, one of which he was quite naughty to the "real" drivers.
I guess Buemi wasn't that bad. The other 2, well....

Jocó · November 3rd, 2009, 7:16 PM

I kind of hope that Grosjean gets another chance, maybe not next year but later (like Glock, for instance). I know he hasn't been impressive and had numerous off-track moments and incidents, but I still think he's pretty talented. When he kept it on the track, his pace was not too bad, but Renault was getting worse almost race-by-race, in Brazil it really looked to be the worst car on the grid. And the lack of testing... to some drivers (like Kobayashi) it doesn't seem to be a problem, but I think the majority would need some time to get adjusted to the car by driving around for miles and miles without the pressure of a quali or a race. I've never rated Grosjean as high as Hamilton or Rosberg etc, nowhere near, but he did look quite promising and I think it would be a shame if his F1 career ended like this.

Sir Stiggington · November 3rd, 2009, 8:09 PM

All four to be honest. I mean, they should have some testing before being plonked into the race seat. So I'd keep them, and after a full season with testing before you can judge them. The fact that Kobayashi came through without any of that just means he is exceptional, not that the others are bad.

NooDle · November 4th, 2009, 11:38 AM

Poll is kinda fucked? Or did EVERYONE vote for Kobayashi and Buemi?

melbournian · November 4th, 2009, 11:38 AM

^ yup.

fochkoph · November 4th, 2009, 12:46 PM

I can't believe someone voted for Grosjean.

WellsieTRD · November 4th, 2009, 12:55 PM

Kobayashi is instantly my fave rookie. If he doesn't get a seat anywhere in 2010, people need to have their heads read. I also thought Buemi showed his true potental in the last half of the season. Jamie probably needs another season at Torro Rosso, but otherwise he's doing ok.

zephyrus17 · November 4th, 2009, 12:57 PM

Jaime is quite handsome. He's a good marketing tool. Grosjean is proof that bankers can be (semi-)cool.

Mercury · November 4th, 2009, 1:15 PM

Gro and Alg are both ok...nothing more. Buemi showed some sparks and was quite consistent so he probably deserves his STR seat (and lets not forget he was test driving for RBR the whole season...).

Koba was quite fun to watch and surprisingly quick, he definitely needs to be in F1 next season.

View Poll Results: Which 2009 F1 rookies deserve a 2010 drive?
Jaime Alguersuari	12	13.04%
Sebastien Buemi	49	53.26%
Romain Grosjean	2	2.17%
Kamui Kobayashi	91	98.91%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 92. You must log in to vote in this poll.

November 2nd, 2009, 10:33 PM	#2
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November 2nd, 2009, 11:22 PM	#3
fbc Moderator Joined: Jan 8th, 2005 Last Online: November 11th, 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 34 Posts: 11,776 Car: 2006 MY07 Astra SRi Turbo Rep Power: 128	Kobayashi has been a huge surprise, so hopefully he'll be around next year. __________________ www.sniffpetrol.com

November 2nd, 2009, 11:28 PM	#4
Jocó Not A Dude Joined: Jan 5th, 2008 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Hungary Age: 20 Posts: 1,309 Rep Power: 28	Kobayashi has been a huge surprise indeed, especially as I watched all of his GP2 races in the last two years. He didn't really stand out to say the least, he had his moments and could be very fast, but I'd never have thought that he would be this impressive. __________________ Supporting Williams, Kubica and DC "Flavio would not recognise a diffuser even if it were stuffed with money." - Frank Williams

November 3rd, 2009, 2:35 AM	#9
MadCow809 Joined: Feb 23rd, 2006 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Durban, South Africa & Los Angeles, CA Age: 24 Posts: 5,048 Car: 2007 E87 BMW 130i & 2008 VW MKV GTI 2.0T DSG LFS Status: Rep Power: 71	Koba and Boo-amy only. __________________ Supporting : Kimi Räikkönen \| Jenson Button \| Robert Kubica \| Sebastian Vettel \| Petter Solberg \| Mikko Hirvonen \| Andy Priaulx \| Jason Plato \| Mat Jackson Nokia N95 8Gb Nokia N97 32Gb RM-505 Unlocked v11.0.21 -> v12.0.024 -> v20.0.019 09 VW MKV Golf GTI 2.0T DSG \| APR Stage 1 \| LHD 08 Honda Civic Coupé \| LHD 06 BMW 130i \| RHD ~~05 Subaru Impreza 2.5RS \| RHD~~ 05 Ford Bantam 1.3i \| RHD ~~95 Mercedes Benz E320 Sportline \| RHD~~

November 3rd, 2009, 12:07 AM	#6
Mytola Joined: Aug 26th, 2007 Last Online: Yesterday Posts: 129 Car: Saab 9-3 LFS Status: Rep Power: 10	Kobayashi, definately. He looks really racy, he's not afraid to challenge people on the track, and his pace is excellent.

November 3rd, 2009, 12:11 AM	#7
be-ach Joined: Feb 7th, 2009 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 133 Car: Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo Rep Power: 8	Buemi has shown a lot of growth over the course of the year and I think is definitely a driver to watch in the future, he deserves a ride. Kobayashi also definitely earned his spot in the last two races, and made Trulli look awful in the process by beating him in Abu Dhabi. Though I didn't vote for Jamie or Romain, I also think its worth noting that this year Kobayashi was the exception as far as coming into the car in the season and having any real success. Proven-ish drivers couldn't do it for ferrari and Liuzzi wasn't very impressive for FI. So I'm not sure that it's entirely fair to base the worth of those drivers on this season, I'll wait for the ridiculously limited winter testing to make my mind up on that. PS- Every time I think of the shittyness that will be how short the winter test allocation is, I want to go and yell at Bernie. Rookie drivers in particular NEED that time to not only earn a spot but gain experience.

November 3rd, 2009, 12:12 AM	#8
zephyrus17 Joined: Sep 21st, 2006 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Adelaide Age: 21 Posts: 1,130 Rep Power: 27	And from the GP2 races, it can be seen that you can't judge an F1 driver based on GP2 or Formula Ford whatever performances (Bordais, Piquet). Sometimes it just clicks and sometimes it doesn't.

November 3rd, 2009, 5:13 AM	#10
vikiradTG2007 Joined: Feb 8th, 2007 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Cluj-Napoca, Romania Age: 18 Posts: 6,604 Car: Ford Focus MkI 1.8D Rep Power: 98	Buemi made his name a bit this year as consistently quick, but rather error-prone. He'll likely get a seat next year, he deserves one in order to hone his racecraft and he might be someone to watch out. Maybe not for a Championship, but for the odd win here and there. Kobayashi's really been a massive surprise in the two races he's done. He basically jumped in and drove his heart out, made a couple of mistakes, like his incident with Nakajima in the pits, but his race in Abu Dhabi was nothing short of a blinder. If Toyota stay in F1, they'd be mad not to put him into a seat; if they leave, then another team HAS to snap him up to a race seat. __________________ "There's no damage to the car, except to the car itself." (Murray Walker, 1991 British GP) 1980s-1990s F1, Group C and Supertouring nostalgic. And I'm proud of that.

November 3rd, 2009, 11:25 AM	#11
ladora Joined: Jun 12th, 2008 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Singapore Posts: 1,489 Car: A black office chair with 5-wheel drive Rep Power: 33	Kobayashi and Buemi, definitely! __________________ "I got kicked out of Barnes & Nobles once for moving all the bibles into the fiction section." bye bye kimster

November 3rd, 2009, 7:16 PM	#13
Jocó Not A Dude Joined: Jan 5th, 2008 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Hungary Age: 20 Posts: 1,309 Rep Power: 28	I kind of hope that Grosjean gets another chance, maybe not next year but later (like Glock, for instance). I know he hasn't been impressive and had numerous off-track moments and incidents, but I still think he's pretty talented. When he kept it on the track, his pace was not too bad, but Renault was getting worse almost race-by-race, in Brazil it really looked to be the worst car on the grid. And the lack of testing... to some drivers (like Kobayashi) it doesn't seem to be a problem, but I think the majority would need some time to get adjusted to the car by driving around for miles and miles without the pressure of a quali or a race. I've never rated Grosjean as high as Hamilton or Rosberg etc, nowhere near, but he did look quite promising and I think it would be a shame if his F1 career ended like this. __________________ Supporting Williams, Kubica and DC "Flavio would not recognise a diffuser even if it were stuffed with money." - Frank Williams Last edited by Jocó; November 3rd, 2009 at 7:17 PM.

November 3rd, 2009, 8:09 PM	#14
Sir Stiggington Previously known as The Real Stig Joined: May 24th, 2006 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Geneva, Switzerland Age: 16 Posts: 2,973 Car: McLaren Mercedes MP4/23 :P Rep Power: 43	All four to be honest. I mean, they should have some testing before being plonked into the race seat. So I'd keep them, and after a full season with testing before you can judge them. The fact that Kobayashi came through without any of that just means he is exceptional, not that the others are bad. __________________ "The pedal under my right foot isn't so much a throttle, as it is a hyper-space button." -Jeremy Clarkson VODAFONE McLAREN MERCEDES

November 4th, 2009, 12:46 PM	#17
fochkoph Joined: Nov 25th, 2008 Last Online: November 20th, 2009 Age: 23 Posts: 29 Rep Power: 5	I can't believe someone voted for Grosjean.

November 4th, 2009, 12:55 PM	#18
WellsieTRD Joined: Mar 4th, 2007 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Brisbane, Australia Age: 24 Posts: 951 Car: 05 Corolla Sportivo, 89 Hilux Surf 2 Door Rep Power: 20	Kobayashi is instantly my fave rookie. If he doesn't get a seat anywhere in 2010, people need to have their heads read. I also thought Buemi showed his true potental in the last half of the season. Jamie probably needs another season at Torro Rosso, but otherwise he's doing ok. __________________

November 4th, 2009, 12:57 PM	#19
zephyrus17 Joined: Sep 21st, 2006 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Adelaide Age: 21 Posts: 1,130 Rep Power: 27	Jaime is quite handsome. He's a good marketing tool. Grosjean is proof that bankers can be (semi-)cool.

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November 4th, 2009, 1:15 PM	#20
Mercury Joined: Dec 3rd, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Jerusalem ,Israel Age: 27 Posts: 1,362 Car: Peugeot 206 XS 1.6L Rep Power: 54	Gro and Alg are both ok...nothing more. Buemi showed some sparks and was quite consistent so he probably deserves his STR seat (and lets not forget he was test driving for RBR the whole season...). Koba was quite fun to watch and surprisingly quick, he definitely needs to be in F1 next season. __________________ You utter pirate! - Mr. James May "If you were going to analy rape one of the top gear hosts, Richard would be the top of everyone's list" - Jonathan Ross "Then there’s the pronunciation issue. Jagwarr, Teeyoda, Neesarn, Hundy, Mitsuboosi, BM Dubya, V Dubya – it’s all completely mangled. " - J.Clarkson

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