Forza Motorsport 3

[MadCat360]

Originally Posted by L2D

Easy, money.

Money and tech. Computers and engines aren't sophisticated enough for that yet. But there's a lot of things happening now that are making that kind of stuff easier. Like laser-scanning actor's faces and building models that way, motion capture, procedural generation etc. There's one indy dev out there who built a galaxy generation program on his own, it generates an entire galaxy of billions of stars in real scale. He's planning to make a space MMO game out of it.

Kinda makes you wonder what FM4/5 and GT6/7 will look like.

[starfox07]

Originally Posted by MadCat360

Money and tech. Computers and engines aren't sophisticated enough for that yet. But there's a lot of things happening now that are making that kind of stuff easier. Like laser-scanning actor's faces and building models that way, motion capture, procedural generation etc. There's one indy dev out there who built a galaxy generation program on his own, it generates an entire galaxy of billions of stars in real scale. He's planning to make a space MMO game out of it.

Kinda makes you wonder what FM4/5 and GT6/7 will look like.

GT7 coming in....2035?

[Twerp128]

With the same damn tire squeals!

[Android412]

Originally Posted by starfox07

GT7 coming in....2035?

...and it'll still be pushed back a year or two after that

[unbreakable]

Forza3 is a whole different animal from Shift. Just downloaded the demo.. all i can say is...WOW...


Have you guys tried the time trials? instead of pressing A to start the race, go to the leader boards (press Y) and then press A. That way, you have unlimited laps to run.

Here are my initial results after 5-9 laps in each car.

Porsche 911 GT3-RSR 1:01:415
Audi R10 1:06:891
Ferrari California 1:09:795
Mistubishi EVO X 1:13:316

AIDS:
autobrake off
ABS off
TCS off
SC off
manual (auto clutch)
no rewind

still trying to get the line on the first huge sweeping left hander. any tips guys?

[starfox07]

Originally Posted by unbreakable

Forza3 is a whole different animal from Shift. Just downloaded the demo.. all i can say is...WOW...


Have you guys tried the time trials? instead of pressing A to start the race, go to the leader boards (press Y) and then press A. That way, you have unlimited laps to run.

Here are my initial results after 5-9 laps in each car.

Porsche 911 GT3-RSR 1:01:415
Audi R10 1:06:891
Ferrari California 1:09:795
Mistubishi EVO X 1:13:316

AIDS:
autobrake off
ABS off
TCS off
SC off
manual (auto clutch)
no rewind

still trying to get the line on the first huge sweeping left hander. any tips guys?

Beat you on the Ferrari. Add me (lucien50 on xbl)

[NAIDANAC A]

I got 1:16:146 with the mini...and people are getting 1:11:883 with that car...WOW...

Also...that car is amazingly fun, I want one as you really can just throw it into corners.

[unbreakable]

Originally Posted by starfox07

Beat you on the Ferrari. Add me (lucien50 on xbl)

sure! but il be going out in a bit. I'll add you when i get back.

[darkshark0159]

So, are they going to come out with a new Xbox wheel with a clutch? The whole clutch thing is pointless if you hold a button and then shift.


On another note...
The Forza 3 demo is excellent. This has suddenly become a must have game for me instead of a sort-of-want.

[MadCat360]

Originally Posted by unbreakable

still trying to get the line on the first huge sweeping left hander. any tips guys?

Hug the inside white line, don't trail brake, don't force the car into slip angle. You need to get good acceleration drive all the way through. BTW you mean right-hander correct? lol

[unbreakable]

Originally Posted by MadCat360

Hug the inside white line, don't trail brake, don't force the car into slip angle. You need to get good acceleration drive all the way through. BTW you mean right-hander correct? lol

it's a left hander... turn 5 i think... the one after the series of S'es. the very long corner..

Thanks for the tip will try that out... i use a different line than the suggested line in the game. I use an exit oriented line which uses 2 apexes, an early one upon turn in, then i let the car understeer outwards before trailbraking then clipping the second single apex, already on full power...

[starfox07]

Originally Posted by unbreakable

it's a left hander... turn 5 i think... the one after the series of S'es. the very long corner..

Thanks for the tip will try that out... i use a different line than the suggested line in the game. I use an exit oriented line which uses 2 apexes, an early one upon turn in, then i let the car understeer outwards before trailbraking then clipping the second single apex, already on full power...

For the hairpin, I go in LONG and deep and hit a very late apex and power up the hill.

Got me a top 1% time

[napoleondyna]

I'd tell you guys the times Ive got but cant read the damn numbers! They've made them far too small for my lowly SD TV

[Ladamaha]

Originally Posted by starfox07

I just don't understand why we can't have it all. That is what games are all about, making the impossible possible. Why can't we have breathtaking immersion, realistic physics, amazing graphics and high quality sound? That's just the basics. If I'm honest, why can't we have all this and be able to pick whether we want to drive on the road or on the track? Or get out of the car? Games are expanding in many ways, but they still feel way to constrained in terms of scope.

I'd say power. The 360 never was a huge power machine, and is getting old, you can't have it all. FM takes a lot of cpu power with the tire physics alone.

Also, I see a difference in philosophy between FM and Shift. FM3 is more focused on the car handling through physics like all the old school racers were. Shift just tries make everything cool with lots of stuff going on.

I personally like the FM3 approach more, but then I am a boring PC simulator snob who can't handle change.

[starfox07]

Originally Posted by Ladamaha

I'd say power. The 360 never was a huge power machine, and is getting old, you can't have it all. FM takes a lot of cpu power with the tire physics alone.

Also, I see a difference in philosophy between FM and Shift. FM3 is more focused on the car handling through physics like all the old school racers were. Shift just tries make everything cool with lots of stuff going on.

I personally like the FM3 approach more, but then I am a boring PC simulator snob who can't handle change.

Well I didn't mean to say its entirely feasible at the moment, but even given the capability I doubt many developers would do it. I like the FM3 physics engine but there are quite a few things I would change. Make the cars move around a bit more, they feel very stiff and heavy. The tracks are also like glass, there is no feeling of it being realistic in that respect. I can't stand how little the driver moves the steering wheel on the cockpit view. A wider field of view, and perhaps even a touch of motion blur would also help.

[MadCat360]

Originally Posted by unbreakable

it's a left hander... turn 5 i think... the one after the series of S'es. the very long corner..

Thanks for the tip will try that out... i use a different line than the suggested line in the game. I use an exit oriented line which uses 2 apexes, an early one upon turn in, then i let the car understeer outwards before trailbraking then clipping the second single apex, already on full power...

You just caught me out with the "first long turn" bit. I don't think of Turn 5 as a particularly long corner, just a complex one. I'm about 4 feet off the first apex, I run wide in the middle and get the car rotated with latent trail braking, then I set the rest of the corner up like I'm entering for the first time. It's a lot like Andretti (T2 at Laguna) with a tighter exit. T2 at Laguna was named for the Andretti driving style, of diving into the corner early, working the brake in some magical way, rotating at the apex and shooting off in a much straighter exit.

Remember that top-200 time I set? Yeah, it's now down in 987th. To get back into the top-200 I'd have to go 7 tenths quicker.

[the Interceptor]

Originally Posted by starfox07

The autobahn would be quite different than a race track I imagine?

Does that matter? My point was that it probably is a vaild way to turn up the sense of speed to more-than-realistic levels in a game in order to compensate for impressions a game simply can not deliver.

[Android412]

Originally Posted by unbreakable

it's a left hander... turn 5 i think... the one after the series of S'es. the very long corner..

Thanks for the tip will try that out... i use a different line than the suggested line in the game. I use an exit oriented line which uses 2 apexes, an early one upon turn in, then i let the car understeer outwards before trailbraking then clipping the second single apex, already on full power...

I find this is the fastest way in time trial mode, but in race mode the AI is there making you stick to the right, usually leaving you between the rail and the AI cars trying to hit the apex on the next corner (the right hander going up the hill), leaving you no option but to nudge them out of the way, not that I mind personally, just seems a bit cheap.

Now if the AI was smart enough to leave you a gap...

[GRtak]

They never give an inch. They are evil. If only the game would let you whip out the 9.

[nate_bartlet]

played the demo earlier and wasn't overly impressed to the point where i thought "I NEED THIS GAME IN MY LIFE RIGHT NOW!" but it did make enough of a impression that i'll get it eventually. I enjoyed Forza 2 for its simplistic approach to things and quite frankly any game that lets me play a Audi R8 is enough to warrant my time of day.
I'll get it, but with other games coming out soon (including the heavyweight Modern Warfare 2) its not enough to shift any attention to this game.