Blown! Next CTS-v gets 600-horse supercharged V-8

[RUU-CHAMA]

Another incremental post, but having nothing better to do...

What's good for the Blue Devil is good for the Cadillac CTS-v. The next-generation muscle-Caddy, which is expected in the 2009 model year along with the quicker-than-Z06 Chevrolet Corvette, also will get the supercharged LS7 7.0-liter powerplant. While the Blue Devil, which will be named Z07, will have about 700-horsepower ("Trend," June), expect the engine to be detuned somewhat for the CTS-v to about 600 horses.

That's still well above the competition's numbers. The BMW M3 and Audi RS4 come in at 420 horsepower, and the Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG looks to be about 503 horsepower, same as the CLK63 AMG Black Series that made its debut at the New York show.

On paper, the Z06's 505-horsepower, 7.0-liter has enough grunt to give the CTS-v the edge over its European rivals. But the naturally aspirated Z06 engine is said to lack enough low-end torque for a car of the Cadillac's weight. The Z06 weighs just over 3200 pounds; the new CTS-v is likely to tip the scales at about 3600.

Expect themes from the current Cadillac CTS-v to carry through to the new model, including stiffer springs and shocks, meaty Brembo brakes, a quicker steering ratio, fender blisters, and lower front and rear deck spoilers, a mesh grille, and nicely bolstered front seats.

[jetsetter]

And before people start bitching remember that the picture is a speculation render from a magazine.

The new issue of Motor Trend arrived in the mail and our eyes were instantly attracted to this story that just went live on motortrend.com. The MT crew has learned that the supercharged V8 slated for use in the next-gen Cadillac CTS-V will be none other than a "detuned" version of the 7.0L LS7 powerplant debuting in the Corvette Blue Devil, or rather, Corvette Z07. The MT editors expect the version used in the CTS-V to produce about 600 horsepower, or around 100 horses short of what the Z07 will produce.

Pick any possible competitor for the next CTS-V and it's obvious that all will come up short to Caddy's new mega muscle sedan. The BMW M3 and Audi RS4 both produce only 420 horsepower, while the horsepower happy AMG team stuffed only 503 in the Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG. Even the BMW M5, which is larger than the CTS, will come up short with an upcoming horsepower bump into the low-500 horsepower range. In short, the CTS-V will offer the same amount of horsepower as the 2008 Dodge Viper, which is pure insanity. GM's got stones, folks, and Cadillac is clearly the prime beneficiary of its newfound fortitude.

Much thanks to Motor Trend editor-in-chief Angus Mackenzie for allowing Autoblog to republish the rendering above. The July issue (you can subscribe here) is thicker than a Thesaurus and our fave in a string of recent good issues from the MT team.

[Source: Motor Trend - pic used with permission, do not reproduce]

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/04/m...-devil-engine/

[teletubby-warrior]

Horsepower Wars.

[otispunkmeyer]

superchargers FTW!

if theres one country who can mix it with germany's obsession with rediculous power its america...

but honestly the horsepower wars with sedans and coupes is getting abit pointless. we've all seen the AMG and Brabus SL/CL's on shows like top gear and the power they make is just useless...its either reigned in by TC or transfers a couple of hundred quids worth of rubber onto some tarmac in about 10 seconds.

still, a night club owner/drug dealer near me owns a brabus tuned SL65....bi-turbo. its just ludicrous and the whole thing is coloured in that gun metal colour, wheels are the same colour with polsihed split rims and galactic disc brakes with gold calipers. its got like 600+ bhp and so much torque they had to detune it so the chassis wouldnt die when you prod the accelerator.

[Peter3hg]

Holy shit that's crazy. If they can tame that kind of power in a car like that, then that car will take a lot of beating.

[fbc]

I've never met a kw I didn't like, but I have to wonder how well the chassis can cope with the power.

[jetsetter]

Originally Posted by fbc

I've never met a kw I didn't like, but I have to wonder how well the chassis can cope with the power.

I believe it can and they wouldn't be producing this car if it couldn't. People have been supercharging first gen CTS-Vs and getting pretty good power.

[fbc]

^ Don't get me wrong, I hope it can handle the power - I mean 600hp with a supercharger whining away, what's not to like. I just have my doubts - I just hope the car isn't too one-dimensional.

[RUU-CHAMA]

Originally Posted by otispunkmeyer

superchargers FTW!

if theres one country who can mix it with germany's obsession with rediculous power its america...

but honestly the horsepower wars with sedans and coupes is getting abit pointless. we've all seen the AMG and Brabus SL/CL's on shows like top gear and the power they make is just useless...its either reigned in by TC or transfers a couple of hundred quids worth of rubber onto some tarmac in about 10 seconds.

still, a night club owner/drug dealer near me owns a brabus tuned SL65....bi-turbo. its just ludicrous and the whole thing is coloured in that gun metal colour, wheels are the same colour with polsihed split rims and galactic disc brakes with gold calipers. its got like 600+ bhp and so much torque they had to detune it so the chassis wouldnt die when you prod the accelerator.

I believe that it is cars like these that cause global warming. The torque they produce is altering the earths orbit and moving us towards the sun.

[thedguy]

Ok. This is awesome, but I thought GM was decreasing the LSx displacement to 6.2 liters for the supercharger to keep a decent amount of wall thickness? Oh and how is 470lbs-ft not enough torque for a sedan, even at 3600lbs? Why am I bitching that they are not putting a less powerful engine in the CTS-V than they want to?

To steal a line from a friend of mine "7 liters" and "lacks torque" only belong in together when speaking about mining equipment"

Originally Posted by otispunkmeyer

superchargers FTW!

if theres one country who can mix it with germany's obsession with rediculous power its america...

but honestly the horsepower wars with sedans and coupes is getting abit pointless. we've all seen the AMG and Brabus SL/CL's on shows like top gear and the power they make is just useless...its either reigned in by TC or transfers a couple of hundred quids worth of rubber onto some tarmac in about 10 seconds.

There is a difference between the Germans and American's. We do everything cheap, so we build our suspensions to actually hook up, remember we are the land of 4 second 330+mph 1/4 cars. GM will probably put in a beefy rear suspension, and some 300+ mm wide tires on the back like the Z06 and previous ZR1 Corvette's.

The Germans answer to all problems is "throw more redundant computer systems at it, eventually something will make it work." GM feels computers are to expensive to be bothered with

[jetsetter]

but I thought GM was decreasing the LSx displacement to 6.2 liters for the supercharger to keep a decent amount of wall thickness?

Yeah, I thought that too. Perhaps a mistake on the magazine's behalf.

[thedguy]

It also doesn't go along with Gm's more recent supercharged engines. When they force induce 'em they can usually get 100hp/liter out of 'em. To be shy 100hp with a blower on a 7.0 LS would make us look pretty pathetic, and we don't need any more help in that department.

And I seriously home the next CTS-V looks NOTHING like the rendering. That thing is hideous with those chromed brake ducts.

[Hidden_Hunter]

I do hope though that they realize that it's not just the power, the rest of the package needs to be there as well

[jetsetter]

To be shy 100hp with a blower on a 7.0 LS would make us look pretty pathetic, and we don't need any more help in that department.

Pathetic.....I think not.

[amdforever]

This is awesome beyond words. I don't think the CTS-V will be the best handling car around, but definitely one of the prettiest.

[Ezbok58a]

Originally Posted by Hidden_Hunter

I do hope though that they realize that it's not just the power, the rest of the package needs to be there as well

Well the last CTS-V did pretty well as far as handling is concerned (anyone remember Clarkson putting it against a Audi?) And this one is looking like it will be better than that.

[Hidden_Hunter]

I want to know how it's handling compares with zeta based cars.

[Punisher Bass]

I think the Sigma based Cadillacs are going to handle better than anything on the Zeta platform. Sigma is a lot more expensive to produce and uses better technology over Zeta such as having a double wishbone suspension up front and not struts. That's not to say Zeta is crap, as I recall Cadillac was thinking about using Zeta to underpin a new $100,000+ uber caddy because of the cost difference and possible size limitations of sigma.

[FATMOUSE]

Wow, since when does an LS7 not have enough torque?