Buying Advice - Page 2

FATMOUSE · January 4th, 2007, 05:34 PM

Try a Civic Si. They go for what, $20000?

NAIDANAC A · January 4th, 2007, 05:51 PM

dare I say it...Colbalt SS.

NecroJoe · January 4th, 2007, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by un-dee

What about a Focus ST or a Mazda 3 MPS, both are cheaper than the GTI.

Yes, but the GTI isn't the same price as a "normal" Golf/Rabbit.

Right now, the Civic SI's (especially the sadans) are going for MORE than sticker price. I'm sorry, but no matter how much I'd want a car, I'm not wiling to pay more for it "just because."

VW lately has actually been on the "below industry average" when it comes to Initial Quality. They have more problems per 100 cars than the average. In fact, they score worse than Hummer, and only above Isuzu and Land Rover.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p37/spudmunkey/JDPOWER.jpg

Reeeally makes me want to 2nd guess a VW purchase...

Going from the top, the Hyundai Tiburon is fun, a used Acura RSX would be cool, and I'd love to try driving a Volvo C30, but I haven't seen any around yet...

Banii · January 4th, 2007, 08:42 PM

Those stats change all the time. I remember just some months ago i read that Mazda was like top-5.

British_Rover · January 4th, 2007, 08:42 PM

They haven't even launched the C30 in the US yet. It will be close to a year I think before that happens.

Militant-Grunt · January 4th, 2007, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NecroJoe

Yes, but the GTI isn't the same price as a "normal" Golf/Rabbit.

Right now, the Civic SI's (especially the sadans) are going for MORE than sticker price. I'm sorry, but no matter how much I'd want a car, I'm not wiling to pay more for it "just because."

VW lately has actually been on the "below industry average" when it comes to Initial Quality. They have more problems per 100 cars than the average. In fact, they score worse than Hummer, and only above Isuzu and Land Rover.

Reeeally makes me want to 2nd guess a VW purchase...

Going from the top, the Hyundai Tiburon is fun, a used Acura RSX would be cool, and I'd love to try driving a Volvo C30, but I haven't seen any around yet...

Great... Mom owns a Land Rover (alll the way on the bottom) Dad, ML55, (near the bottom) and then My audi.. Still above industry average images/smilies/cry.gif

British_Rover · January 4th, 2007, 08:48 PM

Bah Land Rover's are perfectly reliable those studies are crap.

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Ehh nah I can't say that with a straight face. Land Rovers do have problems from time to time but they are better then those studies say. The people that drive them are just much more picky then average.

NecroJoe · January 4th, 2007, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banii

Those stats change all the time. I remember just some months ago i read that Mazda was like top-5.

True...I remember Buick being the most reliable in one survey...although the factory they are built in is consistantly the best-rated plant in North America...too bad they make dull cars...

Quote:

Originally Posted by British_Rover

They haven't even launched the C30 in the US yet. It will be close to a year I think before that happens.

Damn...that sucks...

British_Rover · January 4th, 2007, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NecroJoe

True...I remember Buick being the most reliable in

Damn...that sucks...

Yeah we have a Volvo dealer in our autogroup to and the C30 is something I am interested in so I keep up on it.

klutch · January 4th, 2007, 10:26 PM

Avoid the mid to late 90's VW's. Especially the 1.8T's and V6's. Horrible reliability. Parents had a '99 Passat, was in the shop every other week. Friends have had V6's and 1.8's, all of them have had major mechanical and electrical difficulties, and the cars are all from 97-02.
The old Golfs from the 80's are pretty rockin, tons of fun, especially the early GTi's. If you're looking for something newer, and want performance, get a Mustang. Easy to find a newer GT in great shape for your budget, and they're not as horrible on gas as you think...besides, gas is still cheap, enjoy a V8 while you still can.

Peter3hg · January 4th, 2007, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klutch

Avoid the mid to late 90's VW's. Especially the 1.8T's and V6's. Horrible reliability. Parents had a '99 Passat, was in the shop every other week. Friends have had V6's and 1.8's, all of them have had major mechanical and electrical difficulties, and the cars are all from 97-02.
The old Golfs from the 80's are pretty rockin, tons of fun, especially the early GTi's. If you're looking for something newer, and want performance, get a Mustang. Easy to find a newer GT in great shape for your budget, and they're not as horrible on gas as you think...besides, gas is still cheap, enjoy a V8 while you still can.

We had a 98 Seat Alhambra (exactly the same as a VW Sharan). We had it for about 6 years and in all that time we had two problems over normal wear and tear totalling less than £500 all together. My gran had a 98 Seat Ibiza (VW Polo), no problems what so ever in the 5 years she had that. Know plenty of people who have had VW cars from that era without any major problems at all.

klutch · January 4th, 2007, 11:21 PM

I'm pretty sure the problems were related to the 1.8 and the V6, especially here in North America, with the Passats, Jetta's and Golf's.

Martin · January 5th, 2007, 04:51 PM

Lots of interesting suggestions. As for the reasons I don't like Scions, I guess the best reason that I can give is that it doesn't "feel" like I'm in their demographic. Also I can't stand the tacky "bling-bling" look on cars, and Scion seems to be promoting that.

Here's my short list for right now of what I'm considering...

VW Rabbit
Mazda 3 5-Door Sport
Honda Civic Coupe

The reason I'm wanting to go *new* is for issues of financing. I don't know how it works outside the US (or if it even changes among the states), but what I do know is that new cars finance cheaper than used cars, and the older the used car the higher the interest in the financing. I was quoted at Carmax once on a 13% interest rate to finance the Xterra I bought (I managed to get a 7% loan from my credit union instead). I can get financing on a new car much cheaper, even through a dealer. Also the car is under warranty for several years, and it has a clean title, etc. I want that sort worry free driving for the years I'll be sweating it out in grad school.

Other considerations of mine are practicality, style, and decent performance. All of that for $19,000 at the absolute max. That's the formula I working off of. The three cars I mentioned above fit the bill (for me at least).

British_Rover · January 6th, 2007, 12:20 AM

Actually most banks now don't care if the car is new or used they just care what model year it is. So for example a new 2007 MY vehicle keeping all other things equal would have the same rate is a used 2005 MY vehicle.

Banii · January 6th, 2007, 12:49 AM

Mazda have my vote!

jayhawk · January 6th, 2007, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banii

(referring to the Scion xB)The 2 only things I have heard about that car is that it has something to do with "America" and "youth".

In other words: LAAAME!

Tell that to my 32 year old wife. images/smilies/lol.gif

NecroJoe · January 6th, 2007, 07:52 PM

Don't get me wrong, I hate their "market targetting" and I could never consider an xA or an xB...but I do appreciate what the tC has to offer. First thing I'd do, though, is rip out that silly silver door that's supposed to "hide" your stereo...yeah...sure...

ahpadt · January 6th, 2007, 08:43 PM

Golf GT?

Martin · January 7th, 2007, 04:52 AM

Just FYI for our friends not in the US, the Rabbit is the Golf. I believe someone mentioned earlier that there was a branding issue that required VW to change the model name. As far as I've researched the Rabbit is the Golf in every way except the Golf badge is crossed out with Rabbit written in.

None the less, there is no "Rabbit" GT available here, though there is the GTI.

rjvracing · January 7th, 2007, 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin

Here's my short list for right now of what I'm considering...

VW Rabbit
Mazda 3 5-Door Sport
Honda Civic Coupe

Considered all three of those when I bought mine a couple of months ago... the Mazda was hands-down the best

January 4th, 2007, 05:51 PM	#22
NAIDANAC A Joined: May 30th, 2006 Last Online: 05:58 PM Location: St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada Age: 18 Posts: 2,365 Car: 94 Caravan (Dad - 07 Saturn Sky) Rep Power: 17	dare I say it...Colbalt SS. __________________

January 4th, 2007, 08:42 PM	#24
Banii Joined: Aug 19th, 2006 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Norway Age: 22 Posts: 665 Car: Mazda 626 2.0i 16v GLX, w/ SSE Rep Power: 13	Those stats change all the time. I remember just some months ago i read that Mazda was like top-5. __________________ I will not carry a gun, Frank. When I got thrown into this war I had a clear understanding with the Pentagon: no guns. I'll carry your books, I'll carry a torch, I'll carry a tune, I'll carry on, carry over, carry forward, Cary Grant, cash and carry, carry me back to Old Virginia, I'll even 'hari-kari' if you show me how, but I will not carry a gun! -- Hawkeye approved by NADU (Not A Dude United)

January 4th, 2007, 08:48 PM	#27
British_Rover Joined: Sep 4th, 2006 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Canton / Torrington, CT United States Age: 28 Posts: 1,446 Car: Different every week Rep Power: 19	Bah Land Rover's are perfectly reliable those studies are crap. Ehh nah I can't say that with a straight face. Land Rovers do have problems from time to time but they are better then those studies say. The people that drive them are just much more picky then average.

January 4th, 2007, 10:26 PM	#30
klutch Courteous urinator Joined: Jan 6th, 2006 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 1,755 Car: Whatever's in the press fleet. Rep Power: 29	Avoid the mid to late 90's VW's. Especially the 1.8T's and V6's. Horrible reliability. Parents had a '99 Passat, was in the shop every other week. Friends have had V6's and 1.8's, all of them have had major mechanical and electrical difficulties, and the cars are all from 97-02. The old Golfs from the 80's are pretty rockin, tons of fun, especially the early GTi's. If you're looking for something newer, and want performance, get a Mustang. Easy to find a newer GT in great shape for your budget, and they're not as horrible on gas as you think...besides, gas is still cheap, enjoy a V8 while you still can. __________________

January 4th, 2007, 11:21 PM	#32
klutch Courteous urinator Joined: Jan 6th, 2006 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 1,755 Car: Whatever's in the press fleet. Rep Power: 29	I'm pretty sure the problems were related to the 1.8 and the V6, especially here in North America, with the Passats, Jetta's and Golf's. __________________

January 4th, 2007, 05:34 PM	#21
FATMOUSE Joined: Jun 30th, 2005 Last Online: 10:40 PM Location: NYC Posts: 3,099 Rep Power: 35	Try a Civic Si. They go for what, $20000?

January 5th, 2007, 04:51 PM	#33
Martin Joined: Jul 5th, 2005 Last Online: January 1st, 2009 Location: South Carolina, USA Age: 30 Posts: 126 Car: 2007 VW Golf Rep Power: 15	Lots of interesting suggestions. As for the reasons I don't like Scions, I guess the best reason that I can give is that it doesn't "feel" like I'm in their demographic. Also I can't stand the tacky "bling-bling" look on cars, and Scion seems to be promoting that. Here's my short list for right now of what I'm considering... VW Rabbit Mazda 3 5-Door Sport Honda Civic Coupe The reason I'm wanting to go new is for issues of financing. I don't know how it works outside the US (or if it even changes among the states), but what I do know is that new cars finance cheaper than used cars, and the older the used car the higher the interest in the financing. I was quoted at Carmax once on a 13% interest rate to finance the Xterra I bought (I managed to get a 7% loan from my credit union instead). I can get financing on a new car much cheaper, even through a dealer. Also the car is under warranty for several years, and it has a clean title, etc. I want that sort worry free driving for the years I'll be sweating it out in grad school. Other considerations of mine are practicality, style, and decent performance. All of that for $19,000 at the absolute max. That's the formula I working off of. The three cars I mentioned above fit the bill (for me at least). __________________ "A 1992 Dateline expose revealed that GMC trucks were dangerous when explosives were strapped to the gas tank and then detonated." See story. Last edited by Martin; January 5th, 2007 at 04:53 PM..

January 6th, 2007, 12:20 AM	#34
British_Rover Joined: Sep 4th, 2006 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Canton / Torrington, CT United States Age: 28 Posts: 1,446 Car: Different every week Rep Power: 19	Actually most banks now don't care if the car is new or used they just care what model year it is. So for example a new 2007 MY vehicle keeping all other things equal would have the same rate is a used 2005 MY vehicle.

January 6th, 2007, 12:49 AM	#35
Banii Joined: Aug 19th, 2006 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Norway Age: 22 Posts: 665 Car: Mazda 626 2.0i 16v GLX, w/ SSE Rep Power: 13	Mazda have my vote! __________________ I will not carry a gun, Frank. When I got thrown into this war I had a clear understanding with the Pentagon: no guns. I'll carry your books, I'll carry a torch, I'll carry a tune, I'll carry on, carry over, carry forward, Cary Grant, cash and carry, carry me back to Old Virginia, I'll even 'hari-kari' if you show me how, but I will not carry a gun! -- Hawkeye approved by NADU (Not A Dude United)

January 6th, 2007, 07:52 PM	#37
NecroJoe Joined: Apr 12th, 2005 Last Online: 07:36 AM Location: San Francisco area, CA, USA Age: 29 Posts: 2,438 Car: 2001 Mercury Cougar V6 Rep Power: 69	Don't get me wrong, I hate their "market targetting" and I could never consider an xA or an xB...but I do appreciate what the tC has to offer. First thing I'd do, though, is rip out that silly silver door that's supposed to "hide" your stereo...yeah...sure... Last edited by NecroJoe; January 6th, 2007 at 09:12 PM..

January 6th, 2007, 08:43 PM	#38
ahpadt Joined: May 7th, 2006 Last Online: 10:50 PM Location: The Norwaylands Posts: 2,830 Rep Power: 28	Golf GT?

January 7th, 2007, 04:52 AM	#39
Martin Joined: Jul 5th, 2005 Last Online: January 1st, 2009 Location: South Carolina, USA Age: 30 Posts: 126 Car: 2007 VW Golf Rep Power: 15	Just FYI for our friends not in the US, the Rabbit is the Golf. I believe someone mentioned earlier that there was a branding issue that required VW to change the model name. As far as I've researched the Rabbit is the Golf in every way except the Golf badge is crossed out with Rabbit written in. None the less, there is no "Rabbit" GT available here, though there is the GTI. __________________ "A 1992 Dateline expose revealed that GMC trucks were dangerous when explosives were strapped to the gas tank and then detonated." See story.

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