Golf - GTI vs VR6 vs R32

[amdforever]

I am sooo confused now...
Which one will you buy?

P.S. What's the difference in power & exterior ?

[un-dee]

Reading www.volkswagen.com might help....

Just depends on what you like. And the VR6 has been discontinued since the Mk IV.

[No Boss]

Originally Posted by amdforever

I am sooo confused now...
Which one will you buy?

P.S. What's the difference in power & exterior ?

I have the vr6.



Ok, it would help if I knew where you were from as "gti" can mean different things depending on the country. But I'll just help you out with general guidlines.

GTI- sport tuned version of the Golf. Usually it has nicer wheels, interior, and some minor body changes. Suspension was improved, as were brakes.

There are several generations of "GTI", these are the years give or take a year:
mk1: <'84
mk2: '84-'92
mk3: '93-'99.5
mk4: '99.5-2005
mk5: 2005>

I'm just gonna focus on the mk3/mk4 years because you specified about the vr6.

The mk3 generation was where they introduced the VR6 engine. Argueably one of the best engines VW produced, it was a 12v 6cylinder producing 172bhp and 173lb/torque. What made this engine different than other V6s, was that the area of separation between the cylinders was at a 15degree slant, rather than the usual 90degree slant. GTIs could be found with an 8v or vr6 motor, but the one you want to go for is the vr6. It's a little front heavy and understeers, but the power and the noise (oooohhh the noise) is phenomenal. The only want to differenciate between an 8v and VR6 GTI without popping the hood, is the muffler. If it is single output, it's an 8v. If it's two pipes, it's a VR6.

In the mk4 generation they introduced the 1.8t engine in several differnt versions, Whilst also changing the VR6. The 1.8t was available in a 150bhp version and 180bhp version. AFAIK, the only different was some software tweaks. The VR6 was given 12 more vavles, to make it a total of 24v, and with that was bumped to 200bhp. The only problem with Mk4's was they weighed so much, infact many argue the mk3, "more primative" vr6 engine was faster. The 1.8t can be upped to 240bhp-ish with just a chip, intake, and plumbing change. 1.8t engines are awesome, and the great debate "VR6 vs 1.8t" will never cease, but here is what it basically comes down to:

-Want raw power straight out of the box? Get the VR6
-Have some extra cash, and don't mind spending $$$ on mods? Get the 1.8t

GTI's are great cars, with amazing practicallity and pedigree. They also have that certain X-factor, you cna never explain it to anyone who hasn't driven one, but to the drivers...we know. I have 187,000 miles on my '97 and have never had a huge problem. Yes I have had the front end apart to fix some coolant lines (the vr6 engine bay is kind tight), but i never have a transmission problem or engine internals problem.

I hope that helped, I'd love to answer any more of your questions. I know these cars/engines like the back of my hand (at least the mk3 anyway)

[patrick10]

fwd v6's(vr6s still count) suck if you want to fix or modify anything.

[vanMould]

It's not really relevant, but doesn't most people count the 76-83 model as the mk1 and the 84-92 as the mk2? While the model that appeared in 86 is the GTI 16v, and coexisted with the 8v model?

And is the VR6 really a GTI? I've never heard anyone call it a GTI before and I personally think the engine sets it aside from the regular GTI:s in the same way as the AWD does to the R32.


And which one would I buy? A Mk1 GTI of course! Either that or a Corrado VR6 or G60...

[No Boss]

Originally Posted by vanMould

It's not really relevant, but doesn't most people count the 76-83 model as the mk1 and the 84-92 as the mk2? While the model that appeared in 86 is the GTI 16v, and coexisted with the 8v model?

Yeah you're right on the years, I'm not as familiar on mk2's and mk1's.

Originally Posted by vanMould

And is the VR6 really a GTI? I've never heard anyone call it a GTI before and I personally think the engine sets it aside from the regular GTI:s in the same way as the AWD does to the R32.

You bet it's a GTI! In fact it's quite the other way around, many people today question wheather the 8v mk3 GTI should be qualified as a GTI (mostly because its too heavy for the engine). No matter how you cut it, they are both GTI's, they just have different engines. The VINs make sure of it.

Originally Posted by vanMould

And which one would I buy? A Mk1 GTI of course! Either that or a Corrado VR6 or G60...

Oh, I agree. Mk1s and Corrados look fantastic.

[rjvracing]

Black MKV GTi... nuff said

[vanMould]

Originally Posted by No Boss

You bet it's a GTI! In fact it's quite the other way around, many people today question wheather the 8v mk3 GTI should be qualified as a GTI (mostly because its too heavy for the engine). No matter how you cut it, they are both GTI's, they just have different engines. The VINs make sure of it.

There's a Mk3 GTI 8v? Geez...

But VW themself doesn't call the VR6 a GTI do they? If not else, I'd might stretch myself to calling it an unofficial GTI But wouldn't that make all high-performance VW hatchbacks unofficial GTI:s as well?

But the real GTI concept has anyway been lost for years in my opinion. To get that back they'd have to strap a 150hp engine to the Fox or something.

[un-dee]

The VR6 is no GTI like the R32 is no GTI.

[No Boss]

Originally Posted by vanMould

There's a Mk3 GTI 8v? Geez...

But VW themself doesn't call the VR6 a GTI do they? If not else, I'd might stretch myself to calling it an unofficial GTI But wouldn't that make all high-performance VW hatchbacks unofficial GTI:s as well?

But the real GTI concept has anyway been lost for years in my opinion. To get that back they'd have to strap a 150hp engine to the Fox or something.

haha, I jsut realized you were from a different country. My bad.

In America, the vr6 GTI is called, the"VR6 GTI". You can hit up www.gtivr6.net, or any VW VIN decoder and its always listed as a GTI model. As far as where you live, you're guess is as good as mine. I'm not that good when it comes to VWs in other countrys.

And yes, I agree the true GTI spirit has been lost. Although the MkV is light years closer to the original GTI that the past two generations, it's great.

/Hell, I just found out they through a 5 cyl. in a Bora
//...still don't really know what a Bora is to be honest.
///Jetta?

[Militant-Grunt]

I use to have a Mk2 GTI 16v

Looked Exactly like this one

Except I had star shaped wheels kinda like on the ML.
Awesome car, I think it was the best looking GTI

[vanMould]

Originally Posted by No Boss

haha, I jsut realized you were from a different country. My bad.

Ah! That explains alot! What a great way of both being right

Originally Posted by No Boss

/Hell, I just found out they through a 5 cyl. in a Bora
//...still don't really know what a Bora is to be honest.
///Jetta?

The Jetta is a Golf with a backpack. I'm not sure about the Bora but I think it replaced the Jetta for a while. Could be during the mk3 & mk4 Golfs cause I've never seen those as sedans.

[No Boss]

Originally Posted by vanMould

The Jetta is a Golf with a backpack.

HAHA! I never heard that before. Well said!

[un-dee]

Originally Posted by vanMould

Ah! That explains alot! What a great way of both being right

The Jetta is a Golf with a backpack. I'm not sure about the Bora but I think it replaced the Jetta for a while. Could be during the mk3 & mk4 Golfs cause I've never seen those as sedans.

The Mk2 Golf - Jetta was the original Jetta and was called Jetta throughout the world. The one based on the Mk3 Golf was called the Vento, its successor was the Bora. The new one is called Jetta again.
It was never a popular car, because its pretty much a duller, heavier golf. Only the americans seem to like it, so there they kept the name Jetta through all the generations.

[bone]

Originally Posted by No Boss

/Hell, I just found out they through a 5 cyl. in a Bora
//...still don't really know what a Bora is to be honest.
///Jetta?

as far as i know, in the US they all have been called jetta, little different in europe though

the first one was called jetta


next model got called vento


then they changed to bora


to get back at jetta again


i wonder how they will call the next model

[vanMould]

Originally Posted by No Boss

HAHA! I never heard that before. Well said!

Well thanks. Unfortunately I didn't come up with it. Dunno who did either

Originally Posted by Un-Dee

The Mk2 Golf - Jetta was the original Jetta and was called Jetta throughout the world. The one based on the Mk3 Golf was called the Vento, its successor was the Bora. The new one is called Jetta again.
It was never a popular car, because its pretty much a duller, heavier golf. Only the americans seem to like it, so there they kept the name Jetta through all the generations.

It seems popular over here, because you see Jettas all over the place. But I have no idea why. There doesn't seem to be any point whatsoever to choose it over the regular Golf.

[No Boss]

Originally Posted by bone

as far as i know, in the US they all have been called jetta, little different in europe though

the first one was called jetta


next model got called vento


then they changed to bora

to get back at jetta again

Yeah they have always been known Jettas here. I think I confused some people with my slashie comment "///Jetta?". I was asking if the Bora was the Euro Jetta. I always thought the that's what the case was, but then some time ago a buddy of mine (a fellow VW enthusiast, just not as smart ) told my the Bora was a 5cylinder edition Jetta, and that they had the Jetta in Europe.

.....I always knew I was right.

[amdforever]

Let's just consider the Mark V Golfs.

Golf GTI


Golf R32


Golf VR6
Not released yet for Mark V ?


Who are the market audiences for the different versions?
What are the pricing, power etc..

[FATMOUSE]

On an unrelated note:

amdforever, are you who I think you are?

If not, just say no.

[No Boss]

Originally Posted by amdforever

Let's just consider the Mark V Golfs.

Golf GTI


Golf R32


Golf VR6
Not released yet for Mark V ?


Who are the market audiences for the different versions?
What are the pricing, power etc..

There will be no VR6 for the Mark V, the engine was discontinued. As far as power and price goes, it would really help you and us if we knew what country you wre from. I don't want to give you USA prices, when you live in Nigeria.