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![]() War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength Last edited by Blind_Io; June 10th, 2008 at 6:47 PM. |
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Yikes... uh... mind spacing out the paragraphs a little bit there bro? Eyes are starting to hurt (but thats most likely because of lack of sleep)
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I never look at speed limit signs that often on freeways. I always just follow the flow of traffic. Same thing for the city as well. I don't see how they "hurt" drivers if there's no traffic. Is it that hard to obey the speed limit? Is it really that hard to maintain a constant speed (ish) with your foot? Traffic accidents aren't caused by the signs... they're caused by ignorance and negligence.
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I thought the U.K. was the one who had problems with over regulation of traffic. Or at least that's the impression I got.
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While I would agree with the author on principle of overburdening the driver with far too many rules, in my experience he's got it completely backwards with regards to the number of signs on the US vs EU roads.
I too drive often on both continents and when in Europe, my eyes are about ready to pop from road signs every few yards or so. There seems to be a sign for just about any possible activity. Everywhere. I find that in the US, if anything the signs seem to be arbitrary and many if not a majority of them simply spelled out. I pity those who can't read English, it is a nightmare. Then again catering to the international tourist was never the strength of the US. The STOP signs, yeah, they're everywhere, necessary or not, often hindering traffic big time. But as for accident rate difference, I call total BS. Personally I've seen just as few here as there. Driving long stretches in the US is boring. To be able to drive at say 120 vs 70-80mph, not fearing the stupid cops would be very nice, cheaper and likely just as safe, though honestly, really no less boring. Roads are wide, smooth and predominately straight. Try driving thru Kansas or Nebraska at whatever speed and not fall asleep. I have more fun driving at 45 thru curvy back roads than I do doing a 100 on the Interstate. That is not to say I would not welcome raising the limits to at least reasonable levels. |
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Better be careful with those triple-digit speeds, in most states it's a criminal offense (not just a code violation) and you will loose your car and go to jail if caught.
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I swear I'm the only one that actually does the speed limit here but I've only had my license a week and a half and I'm already sick of being tailgated every time I want to drive my car. Tailgaters should die and go to hell.
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![]() My opinion: four-way stops are indeed ridiculous, here in Germany there are no four-way stops but two-way stops, tops, or even just yield signs, so one road generally has the right of way and the driver on the other road has to stop or yield. That works well (a major road stays in 95% of the cases a major road, unless you come to a T-junction) and if you are on the major road you don't have to stop unless there is a traffic light (which tends to be noticed more likely than a traffic sign). The most up-to-date statistic I could find is from 2004, there the ratio of killed people per 1 million habitant is 71 for Germany and 145 for the USA.
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Recently they instituted variable speed limits on I-270 here in St. Louis. In the afternoons (maybe mornings too, but not when 'm on the road), the speed limit can drop from its normal 60 to as low as 40. Traffic doesn't seem to care, it flows at 70-75 mph regardless of the current limit. It only slows down when it reaches pockets of congestion, but at those points you're luck to maintain 10 mph. I've noticed it on I-44 heading out of the city as well. The speed limit starts at 55 and then works its way up to 70 incrementally. The average speed doesn't seem to change much despite the 15 mph limit increase.
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I only tailgate if the idiot is doing less than the speed limit. You have no business being on the road if you can't drive the proper speed imo. Take the bus.
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Good read I think. And I do agree with him, that over-doing the signs is bad, whereas these pedestrian/road combined areas (much more popular in Holland I think), make the driver need to be expecting the unexpected, not just having the car on cruise control, and sitting back, expecting that car not to pull out in front of you.
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I agree with pretty much everything he says, but that last section of writing even surprised me a bit. I'm surprised some places just gave up on traffic systems all together and became safer, I know what he's saying but I can't picture me just driving around town with no rules at all
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I try most of the time to just drive in such a way to impede traffic as little as possible. If that means slightly above the speed limit, so be it. Of course, everyone has to have their... fun time, and in those cases as long as I'm not endangering anyone else I feel pretty free to drive however stupidly I wish to.
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Well, the point is that there still are the usual traffic rules, but you actually have the time and the concentration to apply to them instead of looking at new signs every few meters of road.
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That guy's rant reminded me of four things I hate about driving:
The first is the first thing he mentioned: slower speed limits for curves. There seems to be no consistency in the method. Some curves have a suggested speed of 35 when you could easily take it at 55. Yet some have the same suggested speed but you'd be insane to take it that fast. Another thing he mentioned: needlessly stopping. It really irritates me having to wait for a red light that doesn't let any other cars through. Why did I have to stop and waste time and gas? This is a bit of a double-edged sword though because the lights that prevent that from happening often don't recognize motorcycles so I end up sitting there forever without the light changing. The third is the lack of speed limit signs in some places. I have driving along wondering what the speed limit is. The fourth is a little more interesting and it's something I thought of not long ago. When on two lane country roads it's annoying having to slow down or even stop for the car ahead of you to turn left. But one day a courteous driver solved that problem with a maneuver that was totally illegal but I think it should be allowed. He put on his signal and then moved into the empty left lane so as to not make me slow down. I thought it was brilliant! If you're allowed to be in the left lane to pass, why shouldn't you be allowed to go there to let traffic behind you get by more easily?
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I agree with quite a bit actually, I have never seen anyone stopped for switching lanes constantly in heavy(ish) traffic. The only person I know who got stopped for it was my uncle and the judge basically said it was his right to switch lanes as he pleased as long as he signaled. I have been stopped for going 87 on an absolutely empty stretch of road with excellent visibility in a car that is no harder to control at that speed than it is at 20. Which one is more dangerous? Also I have noticed that speed limits tend to be mostly self imposed. I have driven around in the dead of the night with very few people on the road doing 20-30 over the limit and being overtaken... by SUV's..... People generally do not go above the speed that they are comfortable with and most people would not be going over 80. Speed limit doesn't exactly stop them from doing that. For instance my mother is TERRIFIED of anything about 60 so she will never go that fast. I have no problem going triple digits and the only reason I don't is that I like my driver's license and the car. I also see quite a few all way stops and traffic lights here where they really don't need them. The road by my house is NEVER busy, yet there are 2 T intersections with traffic lights on them right next to each other. All they do is make you sit there for no reason. There are a million different examples of this and I agree a lot of them just slow the traffic down. Last edited by prizrak; June 10th, 2008 at 8:13 PM. |
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Trouble is that we are heading in to the over signed, badly thought out world that the writer is highlighting. Rather than the US heading our way we are heading - like in so many other areas - the US way of doing things. I recognise the too many speed limit changes in a short stretch of road, the silly illuminated signs, the forest of traffic signs sometimes contradictory. ...
Still, the US approach to road junctions with the four way stop is something I am happy not to have to tangle with I must say.
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If I'm not mistaken, such junctions do not exist in Germany, if in Europe at all.
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If somebody comes from the junction and wants to turn right (thus getting on the left lane seen from you) he/she has to look at both directions if there is some traffic or somebody who wants to turn into the junction. If nobody does what you suggest then the driver from the junction just has to make sure nobody comes from the right and turn straight away.
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. I was arguing that the writer comes off as saying that all people do while driving is look at signs and not at the road, which I don't think is true. Signs are just something to glance at like the rear view mirror, not to sit there reading it for ages on end and not focus on the road/the car ahead. I agree with you on the matter of switching lanes, I've never seen anyone get caught for that, it's something that can be easily contested. If you leave a huge gap between you and the cars behind you, however, then that would be more of a problem for you. Cops can't track 1 car among a whole herd of cars all going at nearly the same speed versus someone thats speeding off in the distance far away from the rest of the group he/she's left behind. I just think the person who wrote this is exaggerating trivial things and has practically no evidence to bolster his arguments. The author says "The four-way stop deserves special recognition as a masterpiece of counterproductive public-safety efforts. Where should the driver look? What must he remember?". Answer: At all sides, and if everything is clear then proceed. His argument that people don't know what to do at 4-ways is asinine. If you arrive at the same time as another person you wave at them or say go on ahead or look to see what they're saying before you proceed, its simple. If it was empty and you proceeded after checking everything was clear and someone runs the stop sign and hits you, that's not your problem, it was the other driver's carelessness. I don't think signs are a hazard (contrary to this writer's thoughts), they're irreplaceable in my opinion. I can't think of an alternative to alert people of something oncoming (aka stop sign, falling rocks, midget festival etc etc). I'll shut up now
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