M3 with Cosworth F1 engine ?

er1cw · November 16th, 2006, 2:50 PM

Guys, rumors says there's a M3 fitted with Cosworth F1 engine. Wondering if that's possible ??

Dann · November 16th, 2006, 2:56 PM

How the hell are they going to get it in the space of an 3.2 L straight six...

Labcoatguy · November 16th, 2006, 3:02 PM

Jag put a V12 into their straight-6 E-type in the 70s; long engines go easily into straight-6 engine bays, and if it's a V10 or V8, even better. I want to see (and hear!) this happen.

er1cw · November 16th, 2006, 3:03 PM

F1 engine are design to be small and light. My opinion says that's possible.. just donno if anyone have actually done it or not

bone · November 16th, 2006, 3:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dann

How the hell are they going to get it in the space of an 3.2 L straight six...

it shouldn't be THAT much bigger

it's as long, caus a V12 also has 6 cyl in line, and since both rows are connected on the same crank, and tilted outwards, it shouldn't be a lot wider either

Adunaphel · November 16th, 2006, 4:41 PM

IIRC Cosworth only made V8 and V10 F1 engines, no V12s

And if it were used, i'm guessing it would be the DFV V8, which are pretty easy to get a hold of.

MadCow809 · November 17th, 2006, 6:33 AM

the M3 would fuck off quite fast with the F1 engine....

craigblock · November 17th, 2006, 6:46 AM

I highly doubt this. The rear gear would have to be changed to like 10:1 or more for the car to work right. Not impossible, just doubtful.

Cobol74 · November 17th, 2006, 8:09 AM

In the 70s someone put a DFV in a Transit Van. Hope this happens too - love to see it go around the Ring.

thedguy · November 17th, 2006, 8:27 AM

There's a few guys running around the US race tracks running BMW F1 Race heads (from their famed hugely powerful turbo cars) in heavily modified 2002's and some e30 m3's.

As far as fitment of a "big" motor...c'mon guys, How can you be a member of a car forum and actually ask the question "how does it fit?" Guys have shoved BMW v12's in e30's successfully.

I know Jag designed one of their cars in the late 70's to not fit a V engine, fearing they would be forced to use the Rover v8. They still managed to fit their v12 in it.

I doubt a rinky dink/compact F1 v8 or v10 would be an issue in a BMW chassis.

Adunaphel · November 17th, 2006, 8:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedguy

I doubt a rinky dink/compact F1 v8 or v10 would be an issue in a BMW chassis.

I have 2 words for that

M3 GTR images/smilies/biggrin.gif

pfrocker · November 17th, 2006, 8:31 AM

doubt this will happen

and why would BMW put a cosworth engine in a M3? Why won't they put BMW's own F1 engine?

Adunaphel · November 17th, 2006, 8:44 AM

Who said BMW fitted that engine to the M3?

JediMindGamez · November 17th, 2006, 9:20 AM

F1 engines are only designed to last 2 races. Which means that the engine would blow in about 16 hours of use assuming it was rebuilt after it was used.

Seems like a impractical thing to be doing considering that the amount of time required to swap the engine in and wire everything up probably took longer then the engines life span.

amdforever · November 17th, 2006, 10:34 AM

People nowadays seems to be running wild with their imaginations.

Fitting a Cosworth F1 into M3, a XJ220 into a Ford Transit Van, a jet engine into a VW Beetle.... What's next? A nuclear powered Lada?

Redliner · November 17th, 2006, 1:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amdforever

People nowadays seems to be running wild with their imaginations.

Fitting a Cosworth F1 into M3, a XJ220 into a Ford Transit Van, a jet engine into a VW Beetle.... What's next? A nuclear powered Lada?

Anyone has plutonium?

ArosaMike · November 17th, 2006, 2:48 PM

Right...well a modern F1 engine can be lifted by one person. The V8s probably only weight about 70kg now if that. With regards engine life....if you turn them down to 15-16,000 rpm they'll last a very, very long time. There is a Gould hilclimbe car running an Arrows-HART V10 from 2002 that revs to 15k and they reckon they can get an entire season out of it between rebuilds. I'd hazzard a guess at maybe a rebuild every 6months depending on the use and if someone has the money to buy a V8 Cossy engine then I'm sure they can afford the rebuild.

As for the reality of it....hard to say. It's not beyond possibility as Cosworth very sadly no longer have a car to supply next year so it's possible they'd sell an engine from this year to a private buyer as they're going to want to get some money back.

FATMOUSE · November 17th, 2006, 3:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amdforever

People nowadays seems to be running wild with their imaginations.

Fitting a Cosworth F1 into M3, a XJ220 into a Ford Transit Van, a jet engine into a VW Beetle.... What's next? A nuclear powered Lada?

How about an intel powered computer for you, Brian? images/smilies/tongue.gif

un-dee · November 17th, 2006, 4:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedguy

I know Jag designed one of their cars in the late 70's to not fit a V engine, fearing they would be forced to use the Rover v8. They still managed to fit their v12 in it.

I like that kind of thinking images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Talk about efficient production and why the british car industry is where it is today images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Cobol74 · November 17th, 2006, 5:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by un-dee

I like that kind of thinking images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Talk about efficient production and why the british car industry is where it is today images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Off Topic but, GB has the best German/Japanese/American car industry in the er.... world, well Europe anyway.

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thedguy ^ will bore you to death Joined: Jun 18th, 2004 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Under the Counter at McD's Posts: 7,433 Car: 1990 Mazda MX-5 & 91 318i. Rep Power: 148	There's a few guys running around the US race tracks running BMW F1 Race heads (from their famed hugely powerful turbo cars) in heavily modified 2002's and some e30 m3's. As far as fitment of a "big" motor...c'mon guys, How can you be a member of a car forum and actually ask the question "how does it fit?" Guys have shoved BMW v12's in e30's successfully. I know Jag designed one of their cars in the late 70's to not fit a V engine, fearing they would be forced to use the Rover v8. They still managed to fit their v12 in it. I doubt a rinky dink/compact F1 v8 or v10 would be an issue in a BMW chassis. __________________

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Labcoatguy Joined: Mar 27th, 2005 Last Online: 2:39 AM Location: Boston, MA Age: 26 Posts: 4,425 Car: A Jaaaaaaaag. Rep Power: 235	Jag put a V12 into their straight-6 E-type in the 70s; long engines go easily into straight-6 engine bays, and if it's a V10 or V8, even better. I want to see (and hear!) this happen.

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Adunaphel Global Moderator Joined: Jan 18th, 2006 Last Online: 1:00 AM Location: [ˈneːdərlɑnt] Age: 29 Posts: 4,632 Car: 1990 Mercedes-Benz 190E (W201) Rep Power: 153	IIRC Cosworth only made V8 and V10 F1 engines, no V12s And if it were used, i'm guessing it would be the DFV V8, which are pretty easy to get a hold of.

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craigblock Joined: Oct 27th, 2005 Last Online: December 17th, 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 39 Rep Power: 0	I highly doubt this. The rear gear would have to be changed to like 10:1 or more for the car to work right. Not impossible, just doubtful.

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amdforever Joined: Mar 15th, 2005 Last Online: November 14th, 2009 Posts: 679 Rep Power: 21	People nowadays seems to be running wild with their imaginations. Fitting a Cosworth F1 into M3, a XJ220 into a Ford Transit Van, a jet engine into a VW Beetle.... What's next? A nuclear powered Lada?

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ArosaMike Resident Kart Racer Joined: Apr 30th, 2005 Last Online: July 25th, 2009 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 842 Car: SEAT Arosa Sport LFS Status: Rep Power: 19	Right...well a modern F1 engine can be lifted by one person. The V8s probably only weight about 70kg now if that. With regards engine life....if you turn them down to 15-16,000 rpm they'll last a very, very long time. There is a Gould hilclimbe car running an Arrows-HART V10 from 2002 that revs to 15k and they reckon they can get an entire season out of it between rebuilds. I'd hazzard a guess at maybe a rebuild every 6months depending on the use and if someone has the money to buy a V8 Cossy engine then I'm sure they can afford the rebuild. As for the reality of it....hard to say. It's not beyond possibility as Cosworth very sadly no longer have a car to supply next year so it's possible they'd sell an engine from this year to a private buyer as they're going to want to get some money back. __________________ It's Pain Time...Wooooh

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