The General Motorbikers Discussion Thread - Page 81

shad_68 · March 20th, 2009, 6:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bubs360

Do they use them now? Not too sure. They definitely used to!

I imagine they have at least a handful for some special tasks now. Anybody here know?

I think I read somewhere that some company was working on a diesel bike (because it has to run on JP8 like everything else in the military) for the USMC. I'm not sure about it though, and have no idea what actually became of it.
Figured one of you yanks might know more. images/smilies/wink.gif

Spectre · March 20th, 2009, 6:45 PM

Yes, the US Army still uses motorcycles, Kawasaki KLR650s. The Marines use them too, their version is called the M1030. They're diesel-converted Kawasakis, they start out life as KLR650s and end up with a 584cc two stroke diesel engine. They are primarily used for scouting or messenger purposes, and in the army, the cavalry scouts use them the most.

HDT (the conversion firm) just released a new model called the M103M1 (not yet officially adopted nomenclature, IIRC) that's basically the same bike with a 611cc diesel engine from IDI.

Bubs360 · March 20th, 2009, 6:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spectre

They're diesel-converted Kawasakis..

That is news to me! I want a diesel motorcycle. images/smilies/mrgreen.gif

motogpboy · March 20th, 2009, 7:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bubs360

That is news to me! I want a diesel motorcycle. images/smilies/mrgreen.gif

I saw a video on the R1 Forum a few years back of some dickhole who put diesel into his R1....on accident...

It made the bike sound like a vtwin hahaha

DarkReaper · March 20th, 2009, 7:21 PM

Did it survive? I read somewhere that diesel in a petrol is less worse than petrol in a diesel because the pumps require diesel as lubricant or something like that.

shad_68 · March 20th, 2009, 8:09 PM

Thanks Spectre! images/smilies/smile.gif

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spectre

They are primarily used for scouting or messenger purposes

Ah, same as in Germany then.

I actually find the idea of owning one of these quite intriguing. images/smilies/wicked.gif

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9439/0f0727.jpg

They all come standard with heated grips and those cases, some other minor stuff too. Only 25kW though...

Jon · March 20th, 2009, 9:56 PM

I went and collected my bike today and OH MY FUCK IT'S FANTASTIC.. images/smilies/ohmy.gif

A few questions and observations..

1. How in good god to you hold on to the bastard when accelerating?? I was finding it difficult to pull the clutch in when i gave it some on some very few occasions..

2. Turning/leaning is a lil more difficult than i thought it would be.. compared to a GS500 and my old 125. How in the fuck are people getting their knees down?? On the GS i came reasonably close to getting my knee down, on this it feels much more difficult?

3. Any tips during my learning process?

DarkReaper · March 21st, 2009, 12:19 AM

1. You get accustomed to it very quick you just have to really hold on. First time I accelerated on the delimited bike the backwards force caused me to open the throttle even further.
2. Check if the tyres have a flattened contour because of too much highway driving. Anyway the 180 tyre will require a bit more force to rotate than a 130 or 160 tyre.

hansvonaxion · March 21st, 2009, 3:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bubs360

That is news to me! I want a diesel motorcycle. images/smilies/mrgreen.gif

You could get an Enfield. They still make them new in India and they make a diesel version...

http://wp.mmrt-jp.net/mmrt/2006/02/060204_royal_enfield.JPG

Redliner · March 21st, 2009, 3:54 AM

I never heard of a diesel motorcycle before.
It must be interesting to drive something so light with loads of torque.

Spectre · March 21st, 2009, 4:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon

I went and collected my bike today and OH MY FUCK IT'S FANTASTIC.. images/smilies/ohmy.gif

A few questions and observations..

1. How in good god to you hold on to the bastard when accelerating?? I was finding it difficult to pull the clutch in when i gave it some on some very few occasions..

2. Turning/leaning is a lil more difficult than i thought it would be.. compared to a GS500 and my old 125. How in the fuck are people getting their knees down?? On the GS i came reasonably close to getting my knee down, on this it feels much more difficult?

3. Any tips during my learning process?

The handlebars are adjustable. You may rotate the hand grips forward to spread them out to get more leverage and to help with holding on.

Also, try leaning forward more, which rotating the grips will almost certainly help you do.

As for putting a knee down, moving your weight forward and getting a better hold on the bike will help. images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Also, check out Keith Code's book, "A Twist Of The Wrist". images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Jon · March 21st, 2009, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkReaper

1. You get accustomed to it very quick you just have to really hold on. First time I accelerated on the delimited bike the backwards force caused me to open the throttle even further.
2. Check if the tyres have a flattened contour because of too much highway driving. Anyway the 180 tyre will require a bit more force to rotate than a 130 or 160 tyre.

The back tyre is new, the front is in good shape. I hold on like a bastard but then getting the clutch in well.. practice i will.. images/smilies/sleep.gif

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spectre

The handlebars are adjustable. You may rotate the hand grips forward to spread them out to get more leverage and to help with holding on.

Also, try leaning forward more, which rotating the grips will almost certainly help you do.

As for putting a knee down, moving your weight forward and getting a better hold on the bike will help. images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Also, check out Keith Code's book, "A Twist Of The Wrist". images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Yeah to be fair, didn't help i was sitting reasonably upright and thus was acting like a huge buffer.. images/smilies/mellow.gif

I've been told about that book before.. I may have to look into obtaining a copy..

..Cheers fellas!

DarkReaper · March 21st, 2009, 12:17 PM

Alternatively try to upshift without the clutch. It's easier than it sounds. images/smilies/twisted.gif

Peter3hg · March 21st, 2009, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkReaper

Alternatively try to upshift without the clutch. It's easier than it sounds. images/smilies/twisted.gif

Yeah, just put a bit of pressure on the shifter with your foot, come off the throttle and it should shift up smoothly. Then just get back on the throttle.
It is only useful really if you are gunning it and at quite high revs. It is a lot less smooth than using the clutch if you are pootling around.

tianluo · March 21st, 2009, 4:33 PM

My time with the three wheeler is up, I've exchanged myself one of these:

http://www.saleyamaha.co.uk/scooters/gallery/tmax.jpg

Yamaha XP500 TMax. Rides like a sport tourer with the convenience of an CVT in town, took a few power rangers today on the twisties too, very easy to ride fast.

avanti · March 21st, 2009, 8:03 PM

The TMax is awesome, my friend has one! images/smilies/thumbup.gif

Jon · March 21st, 2009, 9:07 PM

A work colleague said the same thing today about not using the clutch.. I went for a ride with him and have still yet to exceed (while throttle fully open) 10,000rpm in any gear because i just can't hold on images/smilies/wacko.gif

Bubs360 · March 21st, 2009, 9:09 PM

I'm looking for some sort of cheap moped to tool around on. images/smilies/mrgreen.gif

Something like this:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/Bubs360/Key%20West/DSCF6282.jpg

DarkReaper · March 22nd, 2009, 1:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon

A work colleague said the same thing today about not using the clutch.. I went for a ride with him and have still yet to exceed (while throttle fully open) 10,000rpm in any gear because i just can't hold on images/smilies/wacko.gif

Are you leaning forward enough? I am relatively small so I already have to lean forward quite a bit. If you are especially large you might be trying to accelerate in a too tourer-like positition.

gtrietsc · March 24th, 2009, 7:33 AM

This last weekend the weather was so nice. I got inspired to clean up my ride a little bit, and take the first real pics of it (I got it in August.) I have put a little over 1600 miles on it without a cleaning, and it was starting to show. images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Anyway, all better now!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3562/3381747558_8efb60f55a_b.jpg

March 20th, 2009, 6:45 PM	#1602
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March 20th, 2009, 9:56 PM	#1607
Jon Joined: Dec 30th, 2005 Last Online: 2:02 PM Location: Wolverhampton, England. Age: 22 Posts: 1,061 Car: Ford Mondeo 2.0 Honda CBR600FS (Now wrecked!) Rep Power: 77	I went and collected my bike today and OH MY FUCK IT'S FANTASTIC.. A few questions and observations.. 1. How in good god to you hold on to the bastard when accelerating?? I was finding it difficult to pull the clutch in when i gave it some on some very few occasions.. 2. Turning/leaning is a lil more difficult than i thought it would be.. compared to a GS500 and my old 125. How in the fuck are people getting their knees down?? On the GS i came reasonably close to getting my knee down, on this it feels much more difficult? 3. Any tips during my learning process? __________________ IV - VIII - XV - XVI - XXIII - XLII ƃıʇs ǝɥʇ ɯɐ ı My Flickr Account

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tianluo Joined: Aug 10th, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Location: South Kensington London Posts: 160 Car: RenaultSport Clio 182 Trophy, Yamaha XP500 TMax Rep Power: 18	My time with the three wheeler is up, I've exchanged myself one of these: Yamaha XP500 TMax. Rides like a sport tourer with the convenience of an CVT in town, took a few power rangers today on the twisties too, very easy to ride fast.

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Jon Joined: Dec 30th, 2005 Last Online: 2:02 PM Location: Wolverhampton, England. Age: 22 Posts: 1,061 Car: Ford Mondeo 2.0 Honda CBR600FS (Now wrecked!) Rep Power: 77	A work colleague said the same thing today about not using the clutch.. I went for a ride with him and have still yet to exceed (while throttle fully open) 10,000rpm in any gear because i just can't hold on __________________ IV - VIII - XV - XVI - XXIII - XLII ƃıʇs ǝɥʇ ɯɐ ı My Flickr Account

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DarkReaper Joined: Dec 24th, 2005 Last Online: 3:37 PM Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 928 Car: BMW635 '86,850CI '96\|MotoGuzzi California Rep Power: 33	Did it survive? I read somewhere that diesel in a petrol is less worse than petrol in a diesel because the pumps require diesel as lubricant or something like that.

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DarkReaper Joined: Dec 24th, 2005 Last Online: 3:37 PM Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 928 Car: BMW635 '86,850CI '96\|MotoGuzzi California Rep Power: 33	1. You get accustomed to it very quick you just have to really hold on. First time I accelerated on the delimited bike the backwards force caused me to open the throttle even further. 2. Check if the tyres have a flattened contour because of too much highway driving. Anyway the 180 tyre will require a bit more force to rotate than a 130 or 160 tyre.

March 21st, 2009, 3:54 AM	#1610
Redliner Joined: May 19th, 2005 Last Online: 12:41 PM Location: Brazil - South America Age: 30 Posts: 5,283 Car: Fiat Palio 1.6 16v Rep Power: 113	I never heard of a diesel motorcycle before. It must be interesting to drive something so light with loads of torque.

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DarkReaper Joined: Dec 24th, 2005 Last Online: 3:37 PM Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 928 Car: BMW635 '86,850CI '96\|MotoGuzzi California Rep Power: 33	Alternatively try to upshift without the clutch. It's easier than it sounds.

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Bubs360 Joined: Feb 11th, 2007 Last Online: November 19th, 2009 Location: New Hampshire Age: 19 Posts: 469 Car: Vanagon, Saturn SL1 LFS Status: Rep Power: 32	I'm looking for some sort of cheap moped to tool around on. Something like this: __________________

March 24th, 2009, 7:33 AM	#1620
gtrietsc Joined: Dec 14th, 2004 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Lewisville, TX USA Age: 32 Posts: 1,241 Car: '06 BMW X3, '07 Ford F-150 FX4 Rep Power: 38	This last weekend the weather was so nice. I got inspired to clean up my ride a little bit, and take the first real pics of it (I got it in August.) I have put a little over 1600 miles on it without a cleaning, and it was starting to show. Anyway, all better now! __________________

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