Who can drive their manual clutchless?

argatoga · June 19th, 2009, 6:16 AM

Over the last few months I've learned how to shift my car without the clutch. It was a good way to distract me during my commute and if my clutch goes out the skill allows me to limp my car to safety.

How many here have also learned this?

Crazyjeeper · June 19th, 2009, 6:20 AM

I did in my Jeep. I can do 1-2-3-4-5 no problem, and even down 5-4-3-2. I dare not try to drop into first on a roll clutchless though.

tranceporter · June 19th, 2009, 6:22 AM

yeop

Dogbert · June 19th, 2009, 6:28 AM

Yes.

This Wikipedia article and this thread are fighting, by the way.

JCE · June 19th, 2009, 6:37 AM

I refuse to do clutchless shifting as it will probably kill your synchros. Plus without a legitimate reason to why bother?

Elvis313 · June 19th, 2009, 6:48 AM

^^what he said. It's not a matter of "can". My grandma could but it sounds and feels terrible

Crazyjeeper · June 19th, 2009, 6:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCE

I refuse to do clutchless shifting as it will probably kill your synchros. Plus without a legitimate reason to why bother?

It only kills your synchros if you don't rev match. I downshift so much, I know what revs it needs to be at, and it just glides into gear.

MadCat360 · June 19th, 2009, 7:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Crazyjeeper

It only kills your synchros if you don't rev match. I downshift so much, I know what revs it needs to be at, and it just glides into gear.

Yep. Synchros are for people who don't know how to shift. If you shift properly you will never wear them out.

Spectre · June 19th, 2009, 7:32 AM

People use a clutch for changing gears? images/smilies/blink.gif

http://www.dallasdrivers.org/gallery/d/22475-1/honda1.jpg

Crazyjeeper · June 19th, 2009, 7:34 AM

^curse your dogbox images/smilies/dry.gif

Try to go straight from 5th to 2nd though images/smilies/tongue.gif

Spectre · June 19th, 2009, 7:38 AM

Yes, but the point of that bike is that there is NO reason that I'd ever have to do that. Hello, 10750rpm redline and broad powerband.

Going from 5th at any speed above stall to 2nd directly would overrev the engine.

JipJopJones · June 19th, 2009, 8:37 AM

I've done it before. I don't like to though, because I'm not very good at it and tend to grind the gears. I supose practice makes perfect though.

GraemeH · June 19th, 2009, 9:23 AM

I can (at least for all transitions but 1-2 and 2-1), but don't.

I do rev-match however, so I don't ever feel the clutch doing anything when it dis/engages, which is satisfying to get right.

PacketCollision · June 19th, 2009, 9:35 AM

I could do it back when I had my GTI, matching revs and everything. I would almost never do it intentionally, but sometimes I would be in such a driving trance that I would realize I had just done it perfectly without even thinking about it. Don't do it anymore, because it's not exactly possible in the Prius images/smilies/tongue.gif

AarheadC · June 19th, 2009, 9:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCE

I refuse to do clutchless shifting as it will probably kill your synchros. Plus without a legitimate reason to why bother?

My thoughts exactly. Maybe if I had a junker car to try it out on, but otherwise, no way, no how!

Ford Prefect · June 19th, 2009, 10:00 AM

I suppose there are things in life that I will never understand. But what the hell is wrong with using the clutch? It´s not there for decoration...

MadCat360 · June 19th, 2009, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ford Prefect

I suppose there are things in life that I will never understand. But what the hell is wrong with using the clutch? It´s not there for decoration...

Some people believe that a clutchless upshift is fastest. I don't.

Most racing drivers hardly use the clutch at all and only push it in to half-engagement or even less. Usually it's not a stretch to go from clutch to no clutch. But, I think that little bit of clutch allows you to shift a little bit faster or if not maybe a little bit more consistent, and you're sparing the driveline from a lot of stress.

I dunno, the faster you can swap clogs the better and sitting there waiting for the revs to drop doesn't really make sense to me. Plus unless your brake pedal is REALLY small, I don't think there's any real reason why a clutchless downshift makes sense either since most brake pedals are big enough for two feet in racing shoes so a left-foot braking ballet is pretty easy.

Ford Prefect · June 19th, 2009, 10:18 AM

Well yes, you can shave a bit off the top of your laptime if you do harsh upshifts. But on a road car I really don´t see the point of fucking over my transmission. Gearboxes tend to be on the expensive side...

AiR · June 19th, 2009, 10:26 AM

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Can you drive clutchless in your manual?

No. I don't want to. I drive a diesel for heavens sake. I don't care about laptimes. I'm just trying to get to the supermarket.

MXM · June 19th, 2009, 10:28 AM

I did it when working on this truck one summer, which had stupidly heavy clutch. It's much much slower when downshifting, but at least spares the left knee from hurting images/smilies/smile.gif

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Crazyjeeper Joined: Nov 29th, 2006 Last Online: 8:03 AM Location: Dallas, Texas Age: 20 Posts: 5,135 Car: 1985 Jeep CJ7, 1997 Ford F150 Rep Power: 164	^curse your dogbox Try to go straight from 5th to 2nd though __________________

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Spectre Joined: Feb 1st, 2007 Last Online: 10:26 AM Location: Dallas, Texas Age: 32 Posts: 8,359 Car: 87 XJ6, 95 XJR, 90 WD21, 86 CB700SC, 98 PC800 Rep Power: 191	Yes, but the point of that bike is that there is NO reason that I'd ever have to do that. Hello, 10750rpm redline and broad powerband. Going from 5th at any speed above stall to 2nd directly would overrev the engine. __________________ Enough is enough. We are not here to subsidize your clueless business plans or reward your failures. 1986 Honda Nighthawk 700S (project, light restoration in progress) 1987 Jaguar XJ6 Series III Vanden Plas (modified) 1990 Nissan (WD21) Pathfinder SE 4x4 (little red offroad commuter box) 1995 Jaguar (X300) XJR 1998 Honda Pacific Coast PC800 (two-wheeled pickup truck/utility bike)

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JipJopJones Joined: Aug 17th, 2006 Last Online: 9:22 AM Location: North Vancouver, BC, Canada Age: 19 Posts: 1,867 Car: 1977 Jeep CJ5/1991 Jeep Cherokee Rep Power: 33	I've done it before. I don't like to though, because I'm not very good at it and tend to grind the gears. I supose practice makes perfect though. __________________ XBL Gamer Tag: JipJopJones Eh? Rest well in the Hands of your new owner El Camino you will be mine again some day.

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GraemeH Joined: Apr 19th, 2005 Last Online: 4:43 AM Location: Scotland, UK Posts: 2,068 Car: Toyota Corolla. Rawrr. LFS Status: Rep Power: 34	I can (at least for all transitions but 1-2 and 2-1), but don't. I do rev-match however, so I don't ever feel the clutch doing anything when it dis/engages, which is satisfying to get right. __________________

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PacketCollision Server Admin Joined: Feb 19th, 2007 Last Online: 6:23 AM Location: Davis, CA Posts: 254 Car: '10 Prius Rep Power: 29	I could do it back when I had my GTI, matching revs and everything. I would almost never do it intentionally, but sometimes I would be in such a driving trance that I would realize I had just done it perfectly without even thinking about it. Don't do it anymore, because it's not exactly possible in the Prius

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Ford Prefect Joined: Dec 10th, 2006 Last Online: 9:37 AM Location: Munich/Regensburg Age: 26 Posts: 1,280 Car: MINI Rep Power: 27	I suppose there are things in life that I will never understand. But what the hell is wrong with using the clutch? It´s not there for decoration... __________________

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MXM old porsches do run! Joined: Jun 9th, 2004 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Finland Age: 27 Posts: 3,059 Car: 7, 944 LFS Status: Rep Power: 63	I did it when working on this truck one summer, which had stupidly heavy clutch. It's much much slower when downshifting, but at least spares the left knee from hurting

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