Who can drive their manual clutchless? - Page 2

Ford Prefect · June 19th, 2009, 11:02 AM

To sum it up:
Can I drive my car without using the clutch? Well yes, I can also drive it with no air filter, but I don´t.

Zesty · June 19th, 2009, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AiR

No. I don't want to. I drive a diesel for heavens sake. I don't care about laptimes. I'm just trying to get to the supermarket.

Exactly the same reasons I have, just replace 'diesel' with 'Japanese econobox' and 'supermarket' with 'class'.

Besides, I have done it accidentally trying to go quickly from 1st - 2nd when I was first learning manual. The horrible grinding tortured noise the gearbox in the '92 Excel I was driving made scared me shitless! images/smilies/lol.gif

SirEdward · June 19th, 2009, 12:20 PM

Yes, I can.

I tried, I made it, now I know that I can. But I think it's pretty senseless, and the risk of grinding the gearbox is really too high to be taken.

katwalk · June 19th, 2009, 2:33 PM

I can shift my car without the clutch pedal, it does not have one images/smilies/lol.gif

I can also shift into park when moving but that is not a good idea....

MadCow809 · June 19th, 2009, 2:36 PM

yeah, but I only do it on shit cars. And at slow speeds.

Karoug · June 19th, 2009, 2:39 PM

I had a clutch failure a few years ago so i kinda had to.. images/smilies/tongue.gif

Wouldn't do it if i didn't have to though..

argatoga · June 19th, 2009, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Elvis313

^^what he said. It's not a matter of "can". My grandma could but it sounds and feels terrible

If it makes a grinding noise you are doing it wrong. There is no grinding when I played with it. The shifter should easily just come out and go in, if you have to force it you aren't in the proper RPM.

Again there is no advantage to it, but it can be useful if the clutch goes out and you need to drive.

starfox07 · June 19th, 2009, 11:22 PM

I can, but I don't. Kind of pointless IMO. Now if I had a dogbox... images/smilies/drool.gif

I had complete clutch failure (stupid me put the clutch slave cylinder rod in backwards) setting off from a traffic light on a 6 lane major road about 6 months ago...my synchros weren't to happy about what I did after that... images/smilies/lol.gif

WillDAQ · June 19th, 2009, 11:34 PM

I can.... but it has an automated clutch images/smilies/tongue.gif

Cobol74 · June 20th, 2009, 12:45 AM

It is not rocket science, it is rev matching! Euro Fords are usually the easiest though.

der_jackal · June 20th, 2009, 1:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadCat360

Some people believe that a clutchless upshift is fastest. I don't.

Most racing drivers hardly use the clutch at all and only push it in to half-engagement or even less. Usually it's not a stretch to go from clutch to no clutch. But, I think that little bit of clutch allows you to shift a little bit faster or if not maybe a little bit more consistent, and you're sparing the driveline from a lot of stress.

That's because most race transmissions above spec series racers don't use synch'd transmissions.

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Originally Posted by MadCat360

I dunno, the faster you can swap clogs the better and sitting there waiting for the revs to drop doesn't really make sense to me. Plus unless your brake pedal is REALLY small, I don't think there's any real reason why a clutchless downshift makes sense either since most brake pedals are big enough for two feet in racing shoes so a left-foot braking ballet is pretty easy.

Depends on how close the throttle is...Audis are horrible, its like the damn grand canyon between the stop and go pedals.

Cold Fussion · June 20th, 2009, 1:02 AM

I've done it a couple times in my car but i've never purposely gone from 1-2-3-4-5 without using the clutch.

Cobol74 · June 20th, 2009, 1:02 AM

It is easier coming down the box IMHO.

Twerp128 · June 20th, 2009, 2:36 AM

When I buy a car with no synchros then I will learn, for now I think I can shift plenty fast.

WellsieTRD · June 20th, 2009, 6:43 AM

I can, but I choose mechanical sympathy so I use the clutch.

gaasc · June 21st, 2009, 4:20 AM

I can't i don't even understand how to shift without using that rather handy pedal to your left.

E34lover · June 21st, 2009, 6:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gaasc

I can't i don't even understand how to shift without using that rather handy pedal to your left.

When your driving your manual car there is a certain RPM on each car where you can push the car from 1 gear to the next without pressing the clutch.

TomCat · June 21st, 2009, 6:38 AM

Shifting without the clutch is one trick I never learned. Never saw the point.

I am curious about one thing though. I heard people say it's good to know just in case the clutch goes out. If your clutch does go out, how do you get into first gear? And what if your car needs the clutch pressed down to start the ignition?

argatoga · June 21st, 2009, 7:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomCat

Shifting without the clutch is one trick I never learned. Never saw the point.

I am curious about one thing though. I heard people say it's good to know just in case the clutch goes out. If your clutch does go out, how do you get into first gear? And what if your car needs the clutch pressed down to start the ignition?

Start the car in first gear. As for needing the clutch peddle to be pressed down, I believe that is pedal related and not clutch related (it is a safety measure that doesn't involve the clutch itself).

TomCat · June 21st, 2009, 7:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by argatoga

Start the car in first gear. As for needing the clutch peddle to be pressed down, I believe that is pedal related and not clutch related (it is a safety measure that doesn't involve the clutch itself).

Yeah, I'm not sure how the lock out works on modern clutches for the ignition. My Toyota doesn't have it. And I've accidentally started it in gear a couple times and I really didn't like the results. images/smilies/lol.gif

I would sooner call for a tow then put my car through that a dozen times trying to limp it home.

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Ford Prefect Joined: Dec 10th, 2006 Last Online: 9:37 AM Location: Munich/Regensburg Age: 26 Posts: 1,280 Car: MINI Rep Power: 27	To sum it up: Can I drive my car without using the clutch? Well yes, I can also drive it with no air filter, but I don´t. __________________

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katwalk Not A Dude Joined: Apr 1st, 2008 Last Online: 8:09 AM Location: Massastupid Age: 20 Posts: 3,774 Car: 2003 volkswagen beetle Cabriolet Rep Power: 166	I can shift my car without the clutch pedal, it does not have one I can also shift into park when moving but that is not a good idea.... __________________ Warning: user may make lewd comments about your penis. Please excuse the estrogen overdose and have a bear.

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Karoug Joined: Apr 5th, 2006 Last Online: 11:01 AM Location: Sweden Age: 31 Posts: 3,925 Car: Volvo 745GLT! 2 bikes Rep Power: 120	I had a clutch failure a few years ago so i kinda had to.. Wouldn't do it if i didn't have to though.. __________________ I support the formation of Koenigsaab.

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SirEdward Joined: Dec 25th, 2008 Last Online: 9:45 AM Location: Bologna, Italy Age: 29 Posts: 304 Car: VW Golf MkIV Rep Power: 14	Yes, I can. I tried, I made it, now I know that I can. But I think it's pretty senseless, and the risk of grinding the gearbox is really too high to be taken.

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starfox07 Joined: Oct 7th, 2007 Last Online: 4:27 AM Location: Ennis, Tx, USA Age: 20 Posts: 3,377 Car: 1984 Mazda RX7 GSL-SE Rep Power: 81	I can, but I don't. Kind of pointless IMO. Now if I had a dogbox... I had complete clutch failure (stupid me put the clutch slave cylinder rod in backwards) setting off from a traffic light on a 6 lane major road about 6 months ago...my synchros weren't to happy about what I did after that... __________________ -Environmentally Hostile- Last edited by starfox07; June 19th, 2009 at 11:24 PM.

June 19th, 2009, 11:34 PM	#29
WillDAQ Joined: Oct 23rd, 2007 Last Online: 10:27 AM Posts: 1,031 Car: Smart Roadster Coupe Rep Power: 43	I can.... but it has an automated clutch

June 20th, 2009, 12:45 AM	#30
Cobol74 Joined: Mar 21st, 2006 Last Online: 3:20 AM Location: Southampton Posts: 8,597 Car: Vauxhall Zafira 1.9 TDI Slush box. Rep Power: 126	It is not rocket science, it is rev matching! Euro Fords are usually the easiest though. __________________ Lotus 7 Registration Mark = KAR120C : Engine Number = 461034 TZ Ross Brawn genius or what?

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Cold Fussion Joined: Dec 19th, 2007 Last Online: 11:47 AM Location: A small island off the coast of New Zealand Age: 17 Posts: 838 Car: 1988 Ford Laser Ghia Rep Power: 19	I've done it a couple times in my car but i've never purposely gone from 1-2-3-4-5 without using the clutch.

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Cobol74 Joined: Mar 21st, 2006 Last Online: 3:20 AM Location: Southampton Posts: 8,597 Car: Vauxhall Zafira 1.9 TDI Slush box. Rep Power: 126	It is easier coming down the box IMHO. __________________ Lotus 7 Registration Mark = KAR120C : Engine Number = 461034 TZ Ross Brawn genius or what?

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Twerp128 Joined: Oct 6th, 2006 Last Online: 2:38 AM Location: Indiana Age: 22 Posts: 2,588 Car: '83 Porsche 944, '91 Miazda Rep Power: 115	When I buy a car with no synchros then I will learn, for now I think I can shift plenty fast. __________________

June 20th, 2009, 6:43 AM	#35
WellsieTRD Joined: Mar 4th, 2007 Last Online: 11:26 AM Location: Brisbane, Australia Age: 24 Posts: 952 Car: 05 Corolla Sportivo, 89 Hilux Surf 2 Door Rep Power: 20	I can, but I choose mechanical sympathy so I use the clutch. __________________

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gaasc Post Whore Joined: Apr 26th, 2008 Last Online: 5:02 AM Location: Honduras Age: 16 Posts: 1,261 Rep Power: 58	I can't i don't even understand how to shift without using that rather handy pedal to your left.

June 21st, 2009, 6:38 AM	#38
TomCat Joined: Dec 11th, 2005 Last Online: 7:02 AM Location: Arizona Age: 25 Posts: 4,177 Rep Power: 70	Shifting without the clutch is one trick I never learned. Never saw the point. I am curious about one thing though. I heard people say it's good to know just in case the clutch goes out. If your clutch does go out, how do you get into first gear? And what if your car needs the clutch pressed down to start the ignition? __________________

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