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Old July 20th, 2006, 11:44 PM   #21
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All american 'sport coupes' like eclipses with 'sporty brakes' who cost about 20k $ are rubbish images/smilies/smile.gif
Hate to break it to you, but the Eclipse is by Mitsubishi, which makes it Japanese.

Eh...yes, and no. No matter what, they are made in Normal, Illinois. And they do not sell it in Japan, so that makes it American, in my opinion.
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The Crown Vic is a good vehicle. One of the last full frame cars out there.
The problem is, the technology, if it can even be called that, is outdated. There are better, safer and lighter ways to build cars now.

The old Crown Victoria ONLY works as a police car, where the extra durability comes into play.
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Old July 21st, 2006, 12:46 AM   #23
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The Potiac Grand Prix isn't too bad.
it got one the list because of its depreciation
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My friends stupid brother thinks their GTP V6 Grand Prix can beat our Subaru STi. Yea right.

Its a good car, but its not THAT fast. lol

The Uplander and the Sprinter are fine. Good cars.
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The Crown Vic is a good vehicle. One of the last full frame cars out there.
I can't stand it when old people buy the tan colored version ( images/smilies/cop_light.gif ). images/smilies/tongue.gif
the worst is when they get a white one and you think its a cop and slow down
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Old July 21st, 2006, 4:07 AM   #26
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That's what I meant, they're tan colored in Iowa.
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images/smilies/sad.gif well, that sux. i just bought a new ranger FX4. i happen to love it, so i don't really care about that magazine (which is bribed by the manufacturers).
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That's what I meant, they're tan colored in Iowa.
AH , there all white up here
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The Crown Vic is a good vehicle. One of the last full frame cars out there.
The problem is, the technology, if it can even be called that, is outdated. There are better, safer and lighter ways to build cars now.

The old Crown Victoria ONLY works as a police car, where the extra durability comes into play.
Really depends on personal preference. I don't consider the Crown Vic outdated, just built on a different concept.
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All american 'sport coupes' like eclipses with 'sporty brakes' who cost about 20k $ are rubbish images/smilies/smile.gif
Actually the Chevy Cobalt SS is rather nice.
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My friends stupid brother thinks their GTP V6 Grand Prix can beat our Subaru STi. Yea right.

Its a good car, but its not THAT fast. lol

The Uplander and the Sprinter are fine. Good cars.
I've seen a 11 sec GTP. images/smilies/eek.gif
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The Eclipse is/was a fairly good vehicle. Older ones were better however. Turbocharged and all wheel drive.
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Is the Sprinter really an american car? I mean most of the design probably came from Mercedes. The Grand Prix is sitting on an old and outdated platform like most GM cars. Can't wait until they make a comeback with a proper new RWD platform.
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Is the Sprinter really an american car? I mean most of the design probably came from Mercedes. The Grand Prix is sitting on an old and outdated platform like most GM cars. Can't wait until they make a comeback with a proper new RWD platform.
The Sprinter is a German van. I have seen both Mercedes and Dodge versions in the US.
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^ And Freightliner.

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The Crown Vic is a good vehicle. One of the last full frame cars out there.
I can't stand it when old people buy the tan colored version ( images/smilies/cop_light.gif ). images/smilies/tongue.gif
the worst is when they get a white one and you think its a cop and slow down
That's exactly why I want a Crown Vic. I may have mentioned it before, but make mine black, with 15" steelies, tinted windows, and maybe a few antennas, and watch the left lane open up. Muahahahah!

As for crap cars that aren't American, I really would like to see a list of "10 Worst Japanese Cars" and "10 Worst European Cars" as well. Putting out a list of 10 worst American cars, just at a time when the domestics are struggling, is like stabbing a guy who's just been shot.
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The real Crown Vic you want is a fleet surplus, they are actually built differently than retail models. Many of the components that are difficult to replace in the retail Crown Vic are designed for fast replacement in the police package. Also, parts are easily available on the used parts market since there are so many more fleet Crown Vics than retail models - and they tend to be in high-risk positions so many end up at the scrapper.

"It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas. What do you say, is it the new Bluesmobile or what?"
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The Crown Vic is a good vehicle. One of the last full frame cars out there.
The problem is, the technology, if it can even be called that, is outdated. There are better, safer and lighter ways to build cars now.

The old Crown Victoria ONLY works as a police car, where the extra durability comes into play.
eh, Philly cops are switching from the Crown Vic's/Chevy Caprice's to Impalas and Chargers. Just saw a PHP in a Charger-caught a 'vette on I-95 with ease.
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All american 'sport coupes' like eclipses with 'sporty brakes' who cost about 20k $ are rubbish images/smilies/smile.gif
Actually the Chevy Cobalt SS is rather nice.
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My friends stupid brother thinks their GTP V6 Grand Prix can beat our Subaru STi. Yea right.

Its a good car, but its not THAT fast. lol

The Uplander and the Sprinter are fine. Good cars.
I've seen a 11 sec GTP. images/smilies/eek.gif

the chevy colbalt is the only car in it's class to get under a 4-star safety rating. images/smilies/oops.gif
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My friends stupid brother thinks their GTP V6 Grand Prix can beat our Subaru STi. Yea right.

Its a good car, but its not THAT fast. lol

The Uplander and the Sprinter are fine. Good cars.
I've seen a 11 sec GTP. images/smilies/eek.gif

the chevy colbalt is the only car in it's class to get under a 4-star safety rating. images/smilies/oops.gif
That means don't crash.
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^ Yeah, great excuse for GM to build a less capable product than the competiton. What if somebody crashes into you?

Ok, we get it. You like American cars. You don't have to constantly defend them to the death, though.
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My friends stupid brother thinks their GTP V6 Grand Prix can beat our Subaru STi. Yea right.

Its a good car, but its not THAT fast. lol

The Uplander and the Sprinter are fine. Good cars.
I've seen a 11 sec GTP. images/smilies/eek.gif

the chevy colbalt is the only car in it's class to get under a 4-star safety rating. images/smilies/oops.gif
That means don't crash.
GM usually prides itself on its safe cars. The new Chevy Impala and Malibu both got 5-star safety ratings didnt they?
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