I would never want to answer "A Hyundai." when someone asked what I drove.
So some of you guys would actually drive this Hyundai everyday?
I would never want to answer "A Hyundai." when someone asked what I drove.
So some of you guys would actually drive this Hyundai everyday?
I would never want to answer "A Hyundai." when someone asked what I drove.
^ I do realize that, and that's why it took the Japanese so long to be taken seriously. I guess they need to start somewhere.
But what I was thinking when I posited that question was whether any of you guys (i.e. car enthusiasts) would drive around in one? You guys sometimes hassle me for owning a Lexus, because it's soulless and unexciting or whatever... I just can't see how this car is any better.
Oh, and no way are the Koreans better than the Japanese at styling their cars... how could they be, when they're blatantly just copying them?
Not so, during the 60s-80s the Japanese cars weren't taken seriously while the Americans during the 60s did make some good cars. The thing is, so many were appalled by a combination of how the dealer treated them, how low the quality of the car was, how often the car needed to be in the shop.Asian families will never dream of touching an American car
Oh, and no way are the Koreans better than the Japanese at styling their cars... how could they be, when they're blatantly just copying them?
Asian families will never dream of touching an American car.
^ I do realize that, and that's why it took the Japanese so long to be taken seriously. I guess they need to start somewhere.
But what I was thinking when I posited that question was whether any of you guys (i.e. car enthusiasts) would drive around in one? You guys sometimes hassle me for owning a Lexus, because it's soulless and unexciting or whatever... I just can't see how this car is any better.
Oh, and no way are the Koreans better than the Japanese at styling their cars... how could they be, when they're blatantly just copying them?
Oh dear, a badge bore.
But now, I'm trying to convince my father to spring for a Cadillac CTS...wish me luck.
Lexus have been around for almost 20 years and have yet to produce a truly interesting vehicle (IMO). The SC300/SC400 and previous generation IS were pretty cool but they weren't particularly different from their competitors. Almost every vehicle was produced as a direct copy of an existing European car. I understand that they are just sold as Toyota's overseas, but in North America they are branded as a luxury car manufacturer.
With Hyundai, they just recently are being considered as being a true alternative to much much more prestigious companies. At the moment, they sell some pretty decent econoboxes, competitive SUV/CUVs, sensible and affordable sedans, and now a true luxury car. This is a pretty impressive spread as it is, and the Genesis coupe is also coming out pretty soon. So here you've got a company that started off making no-name POS's to having a full range of competitive vehicles. And funnily enough, they're have been talks already of upping the displacement of the Tau engine in the Genesis and including direct injection as well. Who would have thought that Hyundai would ever be making a luxury sedan with over 400hp? Just a five years ago, I would have labelled Hyundai as being ambitious but rubbish. But they've shown that they are ambitious but also living up to most of their claims.
Wait, I don't understand the dichotomy in your argument.
On the one hand, you're arguing that Lexus has never produced a worthy, interesting rival to the Europeans. That they went from knocking off European cars, to just selling rebadged Toyotas to fools.
On the other hand, you're praising Hyundai because they've managed to create a car that rivals their European and Japanese rivals. How is this any different than Lexus ripping off their European counterparts 20 years ago? And how do you know this car won't be uninteresting like Lexus? Just because they're planning on a 400hp engine really is no indication of whether this car will be any good to drive or be in. It's not as if Lexus hasn't produced cars with big engines.
We're getting very offtopic here, but I think it's funny how you put Lexus down for just being a copycat of European cars, whereas you think Hyundai has actually made a worthy competitor to other luxury cars.
Oh, and so I take the Lexus fanboy-ism a step further, Lexus today is sold around the world and most of their lineups share relatively little with similar Toyota cars. Think of it as like VW and Audi, not Opel and Vauxhall. Claiming that they're still nothing but rebadged Toyotas for people with more money than sense, just shows me you're basing your views off a tired, old stereotype.
Basically, what I meant to say was that I was more impressed with where Hyundai have gone compared to Lexus. As far as I can tell, Lexus started as a Japanese rival to Mercedes Benz. And they've more or less held that mindset throughout the years. However, Hyundai was a lowly econobox manufacturer that in almost no time at all are competing with the big names. I'm not claiming that Lexus makes inferior products compared to their European rivals, or even that the Genesis is itself better than any Lexus. Indeed, the Genesis is generally a ripoff of several vehicles; even more so than current Lexuses are. However, Lexus seemed to have established itself with the LS and then it doesn't seem to have done too much since then. I could be wrong, but I get the feeling that each new Lexus is just a version of an already established benchmark. The IS = 3-series, GS = 5-series, LS = S-class etc. I don't mean to put down the company or owners (such as yourself). But this is what I make of the company based on what I see.
I don't love Hyundai any more than I love Lexus. But the Genesis, both the sedan and coupe, just shows how far Hyundai have come. The 400hp doesn't mean a whole lot, but it does show that they are serious about competing on a large scale with the rest of the world. Again, I'm just impressed with where Hyundai have gone. In the future, the Genesis may be remembered as a generally dull vehicle. Who knows, maybe Hyundai will end up as a Korean copy of Lexus.
As for your Lexus fanboyism, I'm aware that certain vehicles (LS, IS, and GS at least) are sold as Lexuses in other parts of the world. However, based on what I see on Best Motoring, this is a relatively recent change. I know that, at least as of a few years ago, the ES, LX, RX, and SC were all sold as Toyotas.
So some of you guys would actually drive this Hyundai everyday?
I would never want to answer "A Hyundai." when someone asked what I drove.