Official Discussion Thread of the 2009 Formula 1 Season

"Bawww we can't throw zillions of dollars at something to fix it! We'll lose the championship! We can't get our way so we'll leave"

Ferrari sounds like a spoiled brat as usual.
I'd like to see how well they do if their budget was the same as Force India's.

Spoiled brat? so does that mean the Yankees and the Red Sox are spoiled brats? does that mean Chelsea, Man U, Arsenal, and Liverpool are spoiled brats? No.

F1 just like many other high budgets sports is a talent seeking operation. Those with the most talent and dedication win and those who don't have the talent or dedication fail. Unfortunately, talent costs big money and you can't have one without the other.

So grow up and try to bring a real argument next time.
 
Those with the most talent and dedication win and those who don't have the talent or dedication fail. Unfortunately, talent costs big money and you can't have one without the other.

And that's why what amounts to a Super Aguri is leading the grid this year? :rolleyes: Money doesn't buy passion, and that's what F1 is lacking more than anything. Any of the above teams you quote, much like ferrari just solve problems by throwing money at it, it's not fun to watch and it certainly is devoid of passion. Super Aguri had more passion in their rear wing that got bolted to the Avantime than Ferrari has in their entire company.
 
Ferrari ceased to be an auto racing stable years ago, long before enzo died, and is now nothing more than a victory factory. Brawn is no better, their victories were made in a corporate office deciding to throw money at it. Get back to me when someone like lotus gets back into the f1 game.
 
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A couple of questions:

Why cant Monaco hold a night race? Its in the streets and it would be much easier putting up lights and the casino would look way cool at night and same coming out of the tunnel.

Why cant F1 have an endurance race? Possibly old Hockenhiem?
 
What would be the point of a night race, the only reason Bernie wants it is to attact more viewers as most dont like F1 so much to stay awake at 5 in the morning.
F1 cars arent built for endurace, u know that.
 
"Bawww we can't throw zillions of dollars at something to fix it! We'll lose the championship! We can't get our way so we'll leave"

Ferrari sounds like a spoiled brat as usual.
I'd like to see how well they do if their budget was the same as Force India's.

You retard, the real issue at hand is the ridiculous rules and regulations that the FIA are proposing to introduce next year. This includes the supposed "budget cap" as well as the ramifications of having such a cap whilst also having the conventional rules. Ferrari isn't the only team that sees the potential disaster of a "two-tier" championship; Renault, McLaren and BMW have already warned the FIA and Red Bull (and indeed Torro Rosso) and Toyota have already issued an official warning to pull of F1, if these rules were to be implemented.

Are you just here to troll? Do you even follow F1? If you actually do then you'd have known that instead of spewing out anti-Ferrari bullshit.

HatePersonified said:
Money doesn't buy passion, and that's what F1 is lacking more than anything. Any of the above teams you quote, much like ferrari just solve problems by throwing money at it, it's not fun to watch and it certainly is devoid of passion. Super Aguri had more passion in their rear wing that got bolted to the Avantime than Ferrari has in their entire company.

What makes a team is gritty determination, unity and the will power to succeed. This is what we've seen this year from not only Ferrari, but BMW, McLaren and Renault.

All these teams' cars were clearly not up to the standard of say the Brawns, but over the past races, they have worked away, regrouped their work force, and focused on improving their car. And that is the essence of a team - to band together and work hard, until the team is once again, achieving their goals.

And here you are claiming that teams like Ferrari are just "throwing money at their cars." "Throwing money at cars" is not going to do anything, you need many dedicated men and women who are passionate about their jobs to develop a car, so that the team may stand on the podium.
 
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And that's why what amounts to a Super Aguri is leading the grid this year? :rolleyes: Money doesn't buy passion, and that's what F1 is lacking more than anything. Any of the above teams you quote, much like ferrari just solve problems by throwing money at it, it's not fun to watch and it certainly is devoid of passion. Super Aguri had more passion in their rear wing that got bolted to the Avantime than Ferrari has in their entire company.

Ferrari not passionate ? You're saying the only team to have competed in every season since the inception of F1 is not passionate about the sport ? LOL. How the fuck are you supposed to solve problems in F1 without spending money ?
 
Ferrari ceased to be an auto racing stable years ago, long before enzo died, and is now nothing more than a victory factory. Brawn is no better, their victories were made in a corporate office deciding to throw money at it. Get back to me when someone like lotus gets back into the f1 game.

What is the point of being in F1 if you're not aiming to win ? :rolleyes: MattD1zzl3 and Hatepersonified why make a comment on a subject you clearly have no idea about ?


EDIT: Thank you Justvisiting for reminding us that Ferrari failed to win a single WDC from 1979 until 2000. Maybe it will prove to some on here that Ferrari are passionate about the sport.
 
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What is the point of being in F1 if you're not aiming to win ? :rolleyes:

Aiming to stay alive like Minardi :)

What would be the point of a night race, the only reason Bernie wants it is to attact more viewers as most dont like F1 so much to stay awake at 5 in the morning.
F1 cars arent built for endurace, u know that.

I know but it would be great to see :)
 
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Ferrari ceased to be an auto racing stable years ago, long before enzo died, and is now nothing more than a victory factory. Brawn is no better, their victories were made in a corporate office deciding to throw money at it. Get back to me when someone like lotus gets back into the f1 game.

under that thought, once they began losing in the 80's they would have folded and concentrated on their production cars. A corporation cares for nothing but the bottom line, so why throw millions of dollars into a worthless team at the back of the grid, especially when sponsorship money wasnt as large.

Clearly Ferrari were motivated to come back, and a good thing too because they owned the next decade and a half.

people seem to be under the impression that the back marker teams are more passionate, just because they seem to struggle more with no hope. Well everyone needs motivation/passion to fight in the championship, as we know you can quickly be left behind in any given season. Just because the front teams look like they run away from the field, and pay for their victories, doesn't mean someone didnt work their tails off to get them there.

Also Night race in Monaco would be a terrible idea.. they can barely run it in the day - way too dangerous even with bright lights due to reflection. THey need to be perfect on every lap just to avoid getting mashed.
 
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And that's why what amounts to a Super Aguri is leading the grid this year? :rolleyes: Money doesn't buy passion, and that's what F1 is lacking more than anything. Any of the above teams you quote, much like ferrari just solve problems by throwing money at it, it's not fun to watch and it certainly is devoid of passion. Super Aguri had more passion in their rear wing that got bolted to the Avantime than Ferrari has in their entire company.

You really think the people who make up the Ferrari team lack passion? Are you on crack or something? How do you think Ferrari has 16 constructor's championships and 15 driver championships? by sprinkling fairy dust on their cars? And reciting a few hail marys?

In my eyes, Ferrari is passion and you can find it in everything they make.*

*Except for the Ferrari Mondial and Ferrari 412.
 
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Some moments from Monaco
 
A couple of questions:

Why cant Monaco hold a night race? Its in the streets and it would be much easier putting up lights and the casino would look way cool at night and same coming out of the tunnel.

Why cant F1 have an endurance race? Possibly old Hockenhiem?

Why do you want to ruin f1? Night races are retarded and do not belong in f1. As for an endurance race, most teams have trouble producing a reliable car for 2 hours, let alone 12.
 
Night races are only held on this side of the planet so that the European tv audiences are larger. A European night race would probably be detrimental to tv audiences as the Europeans would have to watch it on the telly at night and us dudes would have to watch it at four in the morning, so they probably won't make it a night race.
 
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Ask the Expert - Williams? Nico Rosberg

What are the highest mountains in Germany and Finland? What did Frank Williams sell before he focused his attentions on motorsport? Which other famous sportsman was born in the German city of Wiesbaden? And what is the typical cruising speed and altitude for a long-haul commercial jet? These are just some of the questions we thought Williams? Nico Rosberg would take in his stride after he agreed to be the latest participant in our personal trivia test, ?Ask the Expert?...

Q: Last year, your team boss Frank Williams celebrated his 600th Grand Prix, but in what year was his first F1 entry, long before the formation of the current Williams team?
Nico Rosberg: The year was 1969! The race? I will have to guess? Zandvoort?
Correct - it was in 1969, not at Zandvoort, but at the Spanish Grand Prix at Montjuic Park. Williams entered a Brabham BT26 for his friend Piers Courage.

Q: You won the GP2 championship back in 2005, while your ART team mate Alexandre Premat finished in fourth. Last season, however, Premat won his own championship - in what series?
NR: Holy Moses! Obviously he didn?t win in DTM. Must have been the Le Mans Series.
Correct - with Audi.

Q: At what race did your father Keke score his first Formula one victory with Williams?
NR: That was in Dijon in 1982. It was the Swiss GP!
Correct

Q: How many races, drivers? titles and constructors? titles have Williams won?
NR: I think they?ve won 11 constructor?s titles and nine driver?s titles. Races? I would put that down to 90.
Zero out of three - they have won 113 races, seven drivers? championships and nine constructors? championships.

Q: You were born in Wiesbaden, but can you name another famous sportsman to have been born in the German city?
NR: In Wiesbaden? I didn?t know there was one. No idea.
Incorrect - tennis star John McEnroe was born on a U.S. military base at Wiesbaden.

Q: What was your father Keke?s best performance for McLaren?
NR: Second in Monaco in 1986.
Correct

Q: You have dual German and Finnish nationality. What is the Finnish national anthem called?
NR: Ah, I have no idea.
Incorrect - it is called ?Our Land? or in Finnish, ?Maamme?.

Q: During his motorsport career, your team mate Kazuki Nakajima has won one single-seater championship. In which series?
NR: Japanese Formula Three?
Incorrect, but close - it was the Formula Toyota series in Japan in 2003.

Q: When you made your F1 debut at the 2006 Bahrain Grand Prix, you became the youngest ever driver to score a fastest lap, aged 20. Who held that record before you?
NR: Fernando Alonso.
Correct - Alonso scored his first aged 21 at the 2003 Canadian Grand Prix.

Q: You?re a fan of chess but how many rows and columns are there on a chess board?
NR: Eight rows, eight columns.
Correct

Q: When did Williams last take a victory and which driver scored it?
NR: JPM in Brazil in 2004.
Correct - it was indeed Juan Pablo Montoya.

Q: You list climbing among your interests. Can you name the highest mountains in your ?home? countries of Germany and Finland?
NR: Wow, what a question! In Germany must be somewhere down in the Alps. Zugspitze! Correct? I?m really impressed by myself! Finland I have no clue whatsoever.
Half marks - Zugspitze in Germany, Halti (or Haltiatunturi) in Finland.

Q: With which team did Williams? technical director Sam Michael make his Formula One debut?
NR: Not Jordan. Could it have been Lotus?
Good guess - correct.

Q: Your best showing in the prestigious F3 Masters event was a sixth place in 2004. Which current F1 drivers finished immediately behind you in that race in seventh and eighth places?
NR: Hamilton finished seventh. One more? Was Kubica eighth?
Half marks - Lewis Hamilton seventh, Nelson Piquet was eighth.

Q: Can you name two eminent Formula One engineers who have worked under Patrick Head before going on to make a name for themselves?
NR: Adrian Newey and Ross Brawn.
Correct - Neil Oatley, Frank Dernie and Egbahl Hamidy were three others.

Q: Before deciding on a career in motorsport, you were set to study aeronautics at university. You now spend an awful lot of time on planes. Can you tell us the typical cruising speed and altitude for a long-haul commercial jet?
NR: Speed: 900km/h, Altitude: 35,000 feet. Correct? Yes? So I absolutely got it spot on? Wow!
Correct - ?wow? indeed.

Q: Frank Williams? first job after leaving school involved selling what?
NR: Selling car parts? No? I read his biography but I didn?t read that.
Incorrect - he was a trainee sales representative for the Campbell?s soup company.

Q: Williams? base is located near the Oxfordshire town of Wantage. What stands in the centre of the town?s market square?
NR: A statue. I have no idea who it is.
Half marks - it?s a statue of King Alfred the Great, who was born in Wantage in 849.

Q: You list backgammon among your interests. Can you tell us what a doubling cube is and what numbers would be found on it?
NR: 2,4,8,16,32,64. I am supposed to be the best player in the paddock.
Correct - a six-sided die marked with the aforementioned numbers.

Q: Returning to F3, at the 2004 Macau Grand Prix, you and Lewis Hamilton both crashed out on lap two while battling for the lead. Which current F1 driver went on to score a podium in that race?
NR: Kubica!
Correct - he finished second.

Final score: 18.5 points from a possible 28
Ask the Expert rating: 66%

Current leader board:
1. Robert Kubica - 70%
2. Jenson Button - 69%
3. Nico Rosberg - 66%
4= Sebastian Vettel- 64%
4= Rubens Barrichello - 64%
6. Nick Heidfeld - 57%

More drivers coming soon.
 
just once i would like to see a huge crash at the first corner at Monaco with like a few drivers getting away......
haha nah j/k. Defiantly think Piquet will crash out or have some weird drama again, if he doesn't get kicked out of Renault like people are suggesting i will be more shocked than not :p
 
I dont think he is doing that bad this year, he finished all but one race (something nakajima, heikki and massa cannot say), and driving next to Fernando is just not fair, he disguises how horrible the car is :)
 
Yea i'll give you that. he is for sure doing better this year......although it's only his second year you can't ignore that talk going on about him losing his seat.....whether they are real or not, they are there floating around haha.

and about massa. wow i feel so sorry for him, the end of last year wasn't that great for him....and this year isn't looking that much better :(
 
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