"Big Bang Theory"

Today's episode features Sheldon learning to drive. I can already imagine the things he will have to say :lol:

Should be pretty entertaining. I've been watching this show since day 1 (mostly because it came on after How I Met Your Mother) and I love how they mix actual intellectual concepts into a mainstream show. I nearly died when they started talking about string theory.
 
I'm suspecting it'll go something like this:

"AAAHHHHH! Why are driving on the sidewalk?!?!?!"
"There's no other cars on the sidewalk!"
I was thinking more along the lines of:

"The arrangement of the driving controls are completely illogical and testament to why experimental physicists should be designing vehicular machines and not engineers." [Howard glares at Sheldon] "I mean, look at this: it's a well known fact the human ankle joint has one of the least amounts of dexterity of all human joints and it has no business modulating the speed of the vehicle."

I'm making that BS up, but it'll be something along those lines :p
 
I was thinking more along the lines of:

"The arrangement of the driving controls are completely illogical and testament to why experimental physicists should be designing vehicular machines and not engineers." [Howard glares at Sheldon] "I mean, look at this: it's a well known fact the human ankle joint has one of the least amounts of dexterity of all human joints and it has no business modulating the speed of the vehicle."

I'm making that BS up, but it'll be something along those lines :p

I think you are spot-on and it doesn't diminished the LOL factor not even a bit.:lol:
 
Caught the pilot episode last night and thought it was pretty good. Will catch up on the rest of the season when exams and uni are over. I have such a massive backlog of tv shows, games and books to get through...:D
 
I've recently started watching, and love it.
 
finally! a new episode on monday after centuries of waiting!
20 seconds CBS-teaser gets the spoiler-taggy-thingy...

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i just realized it doesn't actually need the spoiler-tag since you can decide to play or not-play yourself anyway oO
whatever! still lovely to have the youtube appear and vanish at a click :lol:
 
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Pretty much sums up how I feel about the show's direction...

http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2010/01/how_degazing_saved_the_big_ban.html?sc=fb&cc=fp

As I've mentioned, I truly despised the pilot of CBS's The Big Bang Theory, which aired in the fall of 2007. I found it unfunny, obnoxious, stilted, and tired. But now, having been persuaded to try it again this fall -- and intrigued by the fact that its audience was steadily growing, which very rarely happened -- I've really come to love it, and because of the oddities of DVD availability, I wound up watching it in reverse order: first this season, then last season, then the first season.

When I arrived back at the first season, I thought to myself, "Well, I bet it's not as bad as I remember." After all, very often, things look different with perspective. (I didn't like the pilot of Friday Night Lights, either, but when I see it now, it holds up fine in the context of what came later.) And then an odd thing happened: it was much, much worse.

The pilot is terrible. The pilot is really, really terrible. And while there are many reasons for that -- Leonard and Sheldon are too similar, their odd-couple dynamic isn't firing yet, Sheldon's quirks aren't cranked up to heaven yet, and the writing feels very "pilot-y," for lack of a more precise descriptor -- the biggest problem is Penny, the only woman in the core cast, played by Kaley Cuoco. Penny lives across the hall from physicists Leonard and Sheldon, and while she's now Leonard's girlfriend and well-integrated with the guys and their friends, when the show started, Penny was not a person; she was a prop.

Nothing was ever seen from Penny's point of view; she almost never had a joke that wasn't at her own expense. Here's all her dialogue from the first scene she ever did:

"Oh, hi." "Hi." "Oh, that's nice." "Oh, okay, well, guess I'm your new neighbor, Penny." "Hi." "Hi." "Oh, thank you, maybe we can have coffee sometime." "Great." "Bye." And here's the dialogue from her second scene: "Hi." "Hi." "Oh, you're inviting me over to eat?" "Oh, that's so nice. I'd love to." "So what do you guys do for fun around here?"

But perhaps nothing speaks to the Penny problem that the show had early on any more straightforwardly than the way she's introduced. In the very first seconds of this collection of everything she did in the pilot, you'll see the first time Penny was ever on screen: framed by her door, little shorts, belly showing, in profile, seen but unaware of being seen.

This is, in maybe the most literal form in which you'll ever see it, the male gaze. She exists relative to Leonard and Sheldon's arrival home (just standing there reading a magazine in profile with the door open!), relative to their door, relative to their apartment. It's a comedy, but it's still true. This is it; this is the thing. This is the thing people talk about where she's not really herself, she's just the lady standing in the doorway.

In fact, Cuoco quite literally was using a different, more cartoony voice for Penny back then. Listen to her in this clip from later in the pilot (you'll notice her dialogue has not yet improved, but also that the one bright spot was already the spark of weirdness in Jim Parsons as Sheldon):

And then listen to her this season, in a snappy, funny moment where she explains exactly the thing Sheldon explained to her in the pilot scene:

Listen to how much lower her voice is now, how much less it sounds like a caricature, and how much easier it is to imagine that Kaley Cuoco, the actress, really sounds like that.

Now, characters always become more developed over the course of three seasons than they can possibly be in a 22-minute pilot meant to sell people on the concept. That's true of just about every show on television, and it's one of the reasons why pilots are usually so easy to spot in reruns. With this show, though, it continued past the pilot. In fact, Penny as a mostly blank slate continued through about the first eight episodes, which took the show to the break imposed by the writers' strike.

A few episodes later, in "The Pancake Batter Anomaly," Penny took care of Sheldon when he was sick, and her attitudes began to seem more specific and pointed. Perhaps one of only a handful of shows to benefit from that break, Big Bang started to turn things around somewhere around that point, even though the ratings had always been fine. It wasn't the giant hit it is now, but it didn't cry out for fiddling. Nevertheless, the fiddling happened, to the show's great benefit.

It becomes very evident when you go back to the old episodes that this was a fundamental revamp of how this particular show sees and treats the one woman in its regular cast. Even though there is still a running joke that Penny is hot and the nerds are overwhelmed by her, she gets her own punch lines now. The humor in her character isn't all external to her; some of it comes from her ability to observe and notice things, and from her personality quirks (a streak of competitiveness, or her junior-rodeo background), rather than her interplay with everyone else's. Rather than always seeming baffled and naive, she's very mom-like with these guys (well, the ones she's not dating) in a lot of ways. She still reacts, but she also acts.

Yes, I'm about to mention that she has her own power and her own agency and all those other things that discussions of the male gaze often entail. It may seem silly, and it's undoubtedly not what they had in mind, but there is a huge and significant difference between a Penny who never got her own jokes and mostly said "Hi!" and "Great!" and "What do you do for fun around here?" and a Penny who can, for instance, do what happens at the 1:08 mark of this wonderful montage:

When people say things like "male gaze," it's easy for it to seem (1) extremely obscure and (2) absolutely no fun at all, in addition to (3) not really relevant if you aren't in film school. But the changes in this particular show make for a great example of the fact that you don't just avoid empty, cliched versions of women (or men, and I am looking at you, Sex And The City) because they're offensive or infuriating or anything like that. The best creative reason to avoid them is that they make your show bad. Making Penny real has opened up all kinds of comedic possibilities that haven't transformed it into life-changing art, but have made it into a very good half-hour sitcom, which is an enormous change from the pilot -- which is still just as excruciating as it was the first time I saw it.
 
Yep, Penny's character has developed over the seasons, but the shows' not just about her - all the main characters are funny in their own way now.

I'm loving the episodes at the moment, but I can't see it continuing on for more than another 2/3 seasons.
I hope they prove me wrong though :D :D
 
Sure, I guess. If you wanna study it in depth like that.

that's what i thought :blink:

i liked the first episodes (that's why i watched all of them i guess) and i never thought about them being worse than the later ones. i can see the points that text is trying to make, but i don't care.
it was funny from the start, if you ask me.

plus, as rowd22 just said, the show isn't just about penny, so who cares she was a bit of a prop in the first episodes.
 
It's been going downhill for me lately...The first two seasons were very fresh and nerdy. Now I think they've started to go around in a circle...I still watch it though :)

I can't wait to see the episode where Sheldon and Leonard's appartment gets robbed. I think there should be some kind of a turning point in the overall plot.
 
I think it's not too easy to write a pilot for such a series. Some stuff is only funny, if you know the characters, and in the first episode you don't. In my impression, that is what the whole series is about... not the jokes themselves.
 
I seem to be the odd one out here, after reading this thread I thought I'd give it a go but I couldn't stand it. The worst thing is the canned laughter, I simply had to turn it off after only a matter of minutes. I'm sure if I could get past that I may enjoy it as a series but I just can't.

Did they ever get rid of that abomination in the later series?
 
I seem to be the odd one out here, after reading this thread I thought I'd give it a go but I couldn't stand it. The worst thing is the canned laughter, I simply had to turn it off after only a matter of minutes. I'm sure if I could get past that I may enjoy it as a series but I just can't.

Did they ever get rid of that abomination in the later series?

they never do, they never do :(
do you watch other series that are supposed to be funny or something? i mean that laughter thing is everywhere, isn't it? :?

i'm not a big fan of it either, but i don't really mind tbh.
 
I don't know any sitcom, that doesn't have it. But it sucks.. yes. But somehow i manage to blend it out... until sb like you comes and reminds me grml
 
I watch quite a few different series and several of them can be very funny, none of the ones I'm currently watching have canned laughter. The problem I have with it is that the laughter is used when the lead characters do or say anything, I wouldn't mind nearly so much if it only happened when they say something that's genuinely funny. Anyway, I don't want to derail this thread, TBBT just wasn't for me!
 
Maybe you haven't understand the series yet :p A single action of Sheldon can be very funny... when you're aware of the characters.

For example he doesn't let anybody in his room normally. In one episode you see sb. just enter it... and it's funny because you know Sheldon would freak out if he knew ;) But if you don't you see sb open the door and people laughing for no apparent reason
 
what an awesome episode yesterday's was :p
i enjoyed it immensely. if they stick to taking a break and then delivering quality stuff like that, i'd even stop complaining about it all :D
 
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