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Sgt. Maj. Buzzkill
And she used taxpayer dollars to study in her obvious spare time and got a degree?
Pretty much every German student is using taxpayer dollars.
And she used taxpayer dollars to study in her obvious spare time and got a degree?
Okay, ignoring the polemics, there is a question I want to ask you:
According to your data on the left, you are 41 years old. When you look back on your life, especially when you were younger and unwiser than today, is there nothing you would have better not done or done differently in hindsight?
What if for example with 22 years you ran over a child while driving drunk? Wouldn't you say today, that it was a terrible mistake and that you learned your lesson the hard way and shouldn't be punished for the rest of your life? Wouldn't you beg for forgiveness?
This isn't too far off, you know. Hogefeld wasn't drunk but she was indoctrinated. Yes, she committed murder. No one is denying that what she did, was terrible. BUT she recieved her punishment. She was arrested after the Iron Curtain fell, after the was forced to live in former Eastern Germany for years (which alone could be considered severe punishment) and spent many years in prison.
This is not about whether she should be punished or not, because she was punished. This thread is about if she should be punished more.
And here comes the bitter truth for everyone, who thinks it is a particularly devious act of murder to kill a US solder, so how can we dare letting that woman loose:.
Pretty much every German student is using taxpayer dollars.
As is the case here in the States. I have no idea how the whole student loan, application and 'random stuff needed' process goes in Germany, but if it's like it is here in the States...how many people who have obeyed the laws, and did their best to study and get good grades in school, have been unable to get these funds?
Sorry but this nagged me. Usually you pay at least about 200? and, depending on the State, 500? extra.I paid about 100? per semester
Sorry but this nagged me. Usually you pay at least about 200? and, depending on the State, 500? extra.
This just goes on and on and I can't help myself. 2 things:
1. Why is getting a degree in prison a bad thing?
2. I'm not going to go back and look it up, but some people said that it is "unavoidable" (however you want to put it) for innocent people to be executed in a capital punishment system.
Ok, 3 things.
3. If the kids in your country don't have enough money for college, pay more taxes (or ask your many corporations to pay some) or spend less on bombs.
Basically, almost everyone can afford to study - not having the proper "highschool" diploma is a larger hurdle than moniez.
Then your system works better than ours, because it's getting to the point that even the local community colleges are almost out of reach, price wise, for most people.
The ones that do graduate tend to do so already saddled with massive debt that takes years if not decades to pay off. All while you're still struggling in a crap job market.
Bit pushy: If you find it so unfair, then steal a bit of money and go to prison. You get free healthcare thrown in, which prisoners probably don't deserve either. I'd rather work a bit harder and be free. How American of me.
Thanks for the answers.
People being hypocritical and fine with that seems to be a big trend is this thread. That's a fun foundation . Especially when it comes to, what is it, the FIRST commandment? As Ramsey would say: fuck me, seriously.
You pay enough taxes? Enough for what? For what you get.
And it may not seem fair that you have to work harder, but 1) the world isn't fair, and 2) dealing with problems costs resources. In this, as most cases, that is money. Take the opportunity and invest intelligently.
Bit pushy: If you find it so unfair, then steal a bit of money and go to prison. You get free healthcare thrown in, which prisoners probably don't deserve either. I'd rather work a bit harder and be free. How American of me.
She wanted to pay it back immediately after graduation (you could say the system is flawed, she got BAf?G money but didn't need it to survive university...), but they didn't want it yet. In late 2010 they wrote her a letter stating that now she is allowed to start paying it back if she is earning money.
I had to read that twice to make sure I had read it correctly.
The idea that the government/bank didn't want to be paid back yet...and then asked if she wanted to start paying now....just blew me away!
I have to agree, if we had a system like that here, it would be so much better.
The idea is you get a few years after graduation to get up on your feet, start earning money, build a life, get some savings. Then you have the choice of either paying monthly rates, or at any point to pay the remainder at once. The more you pay at once, the more discount you get - just like with interest, the faster you pay the less you pay.
On average, most graduates are not able to pay back the loaned half straight after graduation, allowing for that would simply increase bureaucracy overhead.
Irish immigrant hanged in 1845 receives Rhode Island pardon
(Reuters) - Rhode Island's governor formally pardoned on Wednesday an Irish immigrant hanged in 1845 for murder under questionable circumstances amid the ethnic and class tensions of the time.
John Gordon was the last person ever executed in Rhode Island, a decade and a half before the start of the U.S. civil war.
The state banned the death penalty in 1984, 166 years after Gordon was put to death in the gallows, located in Providence.
A proclamation officially pardoning Gordon was signed by independent Governor Lincoln Chafee, who was joined at the ceremony at the old State House by Democratic state Representative Peter Martin, sponsor of a House resolution urging the pardon, and Senate sponsor, Democrat Michael McCaffrey.
"John Gordon was put to death after a highly questionable judicial process and based on no concrete evidence," Chafee said, adding: "There is no question he was not given a fair trial. Today we are trying to right that injustice."
Chafee also said Gordon's "wrongful execution was a major factor in Rhode Island's abolition of and longstanding opposition to the death penalty."
Gordon, member of a fast-growing Irish Roman Catholic immigrant community in the Northeast, was hanged for allegedly murdering Amasa Sprague, a member of a prominent Rhode Island family that included Sprague's brother, former governor and later U.S. senator William Sprague.
But from the very beginning, controversy swirled over Gordon's guilt during a time of strong anti-immigrant sentiment.
According to historical reporting, the crime inflamed tensions between Rhode Island's mostly Yankee Protestants and the newly arrived Irish, who had been flocking there to work in the thriving textile mills.
When Sprague's body was found brutally beaten on New Year's Day, 1844 on a snowy Cranston road connecting his factory and his mansion, three local Irish brothers stood quickly accused: Nicholas, John and William Gordon.
A conspiracy theory that may have been based more on bigotry and class warfare than hard evidence was formed in which Nicholas was said to have held a grudge against Sprague, with John and William accomplices in an alleged revenge killing.
The brothers were each charged with murder but only John was found guilty, a conviction based on contradictory evidence, according to notes from the trial's judge, Job Durfee, which later came to light.
But Durfee may have influenced the jurors to convict Gordon anyway, instructing them "to give greater weight to Yankee witnesses than Irish witnesses."
Irish immigrant hanged in 1845 receives Rhode Island pardon
The state banned the death penalty in 1984, 166 years after Gordon was put to death in the gallows, located in Providence.
Go study in a better state then. When I started, the semester fee was around 95?. For the next semester it's 104.5?: http://www.studservice.uni-kiel.de/semesterbeitrag.shtml - of that, 51? is for the bus pass, 45.5? goes towards the Studentenwerk (they do food and shelter for students for cheap), and 8? goes towards the AStA (basically socialist slackers).
On a sidenote, I love how it?s unironically titled "in Prison for a thousand years"[...]And a German one, but it is sadly only in German.