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@ zenkidorki:
The emotional and insulting way you react shows that you are noone to take serious in a rational argumentation, Blind_Io has a point and tries to argument it rationally out, you start insulting again. And double posting doesn?t make it better. You are out of the discussion for me, say what you want or start making nazi comments.
@ Blind_Io:
Sure, you are right, as long as really someone shoots the gunman over right away, but as soon as he hesitates (I am pretty sure I couldn?t shoot someone just like that without at least trying to make him drop his gun) and a third person comes to the scene seeing two people pointing guns at each other it gets complicated and MIGHT (!) end in a mass shooting.
Concerning the gun laws: Sure there are states worse than the USA, but imho. you always claim to be an "idolic" nation all other western countries should follow, and concerning the larger (not in the territorial sense) western countries like GB, Australia, Germany, Spain, France, Italy etc. your level of homicides per people is way higher than in other countries with gun control. And you really don?t want to compare a highly developed western country like the USA with a pretty poor & corrupt feudal country like Russia do you?
Concerning the Nazi comment that had to come:
a) This is 50 years ago, nearly noone currently influential has had something to do with it, and for sure no forum member.
b) This is the same as if you start calling all Australians criminals, because Australia was a "prison continent" long ago
c) Hitler DID disarm the people. See:
What happened with the military is a different pair of shoes though and has nothing to do with any kind of gun laws.
The emotional and insulting way you react shows that you are noone to take serious in a rational argumentation, Blind_Io has a point and tries to argument it rationally out, you start insulting again. And double posting doesn?t make it better. You are out of the discussion for me, say what you want or start making nazi comments.
@ Blind_Io:
Sure, you are right, as long as really someone shoots the gunman over right away, but as soon as he hesitates (I am pretty sure I couldn?t shoot someone just like that without at least trying to make him drop his gun) and a third person comes to the scene seeing two people pointing guns at each other it gets complicated and MIGHT (!) end in a mass shooting.
Concerning the gun laws: Sure there are states worse than the USA, but imho. you always claim to be an "idolic" nation all other western countries should follow, and concerning the larger (not in the territorial sense) western countries like GB, Australia, Germany, Spain, France, Italy etc. your level of homicides per people is way higher than in other countries with gun control. And you really don?t want to compare a highly developed western country like the USA with a pretty poor & corrupt feudal country like Russia do you?
Concerning the Nazi comment that had to come:
Would that be the one about Hitler disarming the people? Yeah, the truth sucks sometimes, don't it?
a) This is 50 years ago, nearly noone currently influential has had something to do with it, and for sure no forum member.
b) This is the same as if you start calling all Australians criminals, because Australia was a "prison continent" long ago
c) Hitler DID disarm the people. See:
Pre-existing Firearms Restrictions in Germany
Before the Nazi regime took power, the liberal Weimar Government had enacted the Law on Firearms and Ammunition in 1928. The 1928 Law established broad national regulations on firearms ownership. The 1928 Law required persons to get a "firearms acquisition permit" from the authorities to buy, trade, inherit, or receive a firearm as a gift. To buy ammunition required an "ammunition acquisition permit." Hunters were required to obtain an "annual hunting permit." All firearms were required to bear a serial number a mark of the maker or dealer.
As a result of the 1928 Law, the national German government knew the owner and location of every legally-held firearm in the country. This law afforded to the Nazi regime that took power in 1933 the information needed to conduct searches and seizures of firearms from political opponents and other targets. Raids of homes started in 1933; even Albert Einstein's apartment was searched in the quest to take any firearms he might have owned.
In addition, Nazi authorities banned the importation of handguns by order in June, 1933, and they refused to issue firearms permits to persons deemed untrusthworthy. In 1935, the Citizenship Law was decreed, which excluded Jews from civil rights. Local police were commanded in late 1935 not to issue firearms permits to Jews.
[edit] The 1938 Law
A first reading of the the Nazi Weapons Law of 1938 might suggest that it effectively lessened handgun control and other restrictions from what they were under the Law on Firearms and Ammunition of 1928. Firearms ownership was restricted to, "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit". Some view this language as excluding only criminals and persons under the age of eighteen from ownership. One writer has claimed that the Nazi Weapons Law of 1938 effectively liberalized firearms ownership in Nazi Germany. [1]
Analyzing the Nazi Weapons Law using principles of the Nazi legal system, however, shows that any apparent "liberalizing" of the gun ownership restrictions operated to enable Nazi police, military and other pro-Nazi personnel to obtain and possess firearms. Much of the German population was already disarmed by 1938, and the Jews' citizenship rights were already revoked. There is no evidence of an expansion of legal, citizen ownership of firearms in Nazi Germany as a result of the 1938 Law. The detailed explanation of these facts, with citations to legal and historical references, appears in Part IV of "Gun Control": Gateway to Tyranny [2].
The 1938 Law expressly barred Jews from businesses involving firearms. On November 11, 1938 [3], new regulations were issued barring Jews from owning any weapons, even clubs or knives. The new regulations coincided with the national night of violent persecution of Jews and destruction of Jews' synagogues and businesses, known as Kristallnacht.
What happened with the military is a different pair of shoes though and has nothing to do with any kind of gun laws.