Mexico seeks US probe of border tear gas

[watisdis]

All I say is look at the exit polls in the elections going on right now, I base my assertion on fact not on race and I resent you calling me a racist by the way. Every single exit poll done backs me up on this, just look them up. There are many good politicians that have paid the price of losing their political office positions and that's the exact reason why no one wants to take the hard political position to fix the border and immigration laws.

I didn't call you a racist. I made an obvious exaggerated point based on your generalization; which by the way is what I took personal offense to. No hard feelings though, It's just that I've had to deal with that type of stuff growing up (not so much now, but it sticks with you as an adult). The reason why no one wants to take the hard political position to fix the border and immigration laws, is because it's more complex than most people make it out to be, not because some politician "paid the price" of losing their political office positions based on their stance on illegal immigration.

I'm all for immigration and all for anyone that wants a better life to come here, I just hate people jumping the line in front of people who are playing by the rules already. If we change things up sufficiently we could make it easier for everyone to follow the rules. One of my high school teacher's sons was married to a Mexican and he explained to the class at certain times all the holes, loops, and paper work they had to go through and she still wasn't able to come into the US yet. They were finding it to be almost impossible to get her legally into the country and she was married to an American, it shouldn't be that hard, expensive, and long to legally find a legitimate route into the country.

The thing I'm really really opposed to is that in the current system there is no way to tell difference between those who commit real felony crimes and those who only want a better life. We need to fix it so we can allow those who want to come here for good in and keep those who are bad out.

I agree

 

[Jay]

Scooby5: You have valid points, but you will never win this argument...not with Americans. It is one of those situations where you have to live here, your tune would change quickly.

I'll also simplify the political problem:

The democrats want the illegal immigrants for a source of votes, since America is running out of the traditional victims for American socialists to exploit politically.

The republicans want the illegal immigrants for a source of cheap labor, as that is what fuels our economy and ultimately, capitalism. I mean, capitalism is the exploitation of humans.

So who is in the right? Liberals to exploit them politically, or conservatives to exploit them economically?

 

[Scooby5]

We try to "fix" the border. Anyway, why is it suddenly only our job to "fix" a shared border?

Because it looks like that is exactly what you are opposed to the US doing in the first place. You criticize the US for being the "World Police" and that we should go through the UN, now you are saying that the shared border with Mexico is our problem to solve. Make up your mind. If the problem is ours to solve then sod off and let us solve it our way. It's a basic tenant of management, you either tell someone to do something or you tell them how, not both.

Whilst it is a "shared" border only one side is complaining about the fact it doesn't do it's job. It is in the interest of the Mexican government (you are correct on this one) to allow its citizens to cross and send back foreign currency since the government there does little to support its own people, in favour of lining their own pockets first. It is therefore up to the American side to prevent it if it doesn't like it, which in your case seems to be the case as you support the intervention of border patrols.

And my point before was, IF you can't sort this out yourself by protecting the border then go to higher powers, don't take international law into your own hands..... again. Yeah i know, you guys don't believe there is a higher power Remember it's America's job to fix it because it is America that is complaining it doesn't work...... although as others say, not all America is actually complaining!

You don't get to tell us to solve our problem with our border and then have the right to get uppity when we do just that.

You're not solving the problem, only making it worse. What you are doing is illegal, plain and simple. It's hypocritical to complain about illegal immigration when you then illegally violate a border yourself. America now has no moral standing and no "higher ground" in the arguement.

So who is in the right? Liberals to exploit them politically, or conservatives to exploit them economically?

Agreed....... the target, though, is to make the illegals legal.


argatoga: Think how much cash is "spent" annually on illegal foreign workers and how much of this is sent over to Mexico. At an extreme point, if you can completely stamp out illegal immigration from Mexico by building a solid border, the money they would otherwise get spirited across the border can now be used for its upkeep. Again, extreme end of the arguement.

 

[Blind_Io]

You have yet to identify a higher authority who will "fix" this problem. We are the most powerful member of NAFTA, and the UN can't wipe it's own ass without asking for US military assistance.

 

[argatoga]

argatoga: Think how much cash is "spent" annually on illegal foreign workers and how much of this is sent over to Mexico. At an extreme point, if you can completely stamp out illegal immigration from Mexico by building a solid border, the money they would otherwise get spirited across the border can now be used for its upkeep. Again, extreme end of the arguement.

I still think it would cost more to maintain such a vast border absolutely. Plus I don't think the US should spend that much money on behalf of Mexico being belligerent on the issue.

I still think only Mexico can stop this immigration, and the best the US can do is work on lessening the benefits of coming over here. Require a US parent for citizenship, or paper work being a good idea, as these illegals do want their children to become US citizens.

 

[Blind_Io]

Unfortunately, that would take a constitutional amendment.

 

[argatoga]

True, but I think it would be easier to get it passed than to get Mexico to behave.

 

[bafranksbro]

Isn't Arizona doing something that's starting to work? I think they require all employers to check applicants SSN with a database or something and it's causing illegals to leave Arizona.

 

[tigger]

Don't you think shooting gas canisters over international borders is "escalated" enough?

What do you suggest border patrols do, other than move a few hundred feet further north?

Also, there's no reason to bring the UN into this. It's nothing that can't be mediated without intervention, and we already know that Mexico isn't going to change. This is nothing anyone will go to war over. I'm sure there's someone in Mexico City that knows how lucky they are that the US border patrol doesn't do the same thing their soldiers do: shoot border jumpers on sight.

Huh, according to the CIA's World Factbook, Mexico's yearly net migration is -4.08 people per 1000. Those living below the "food-based" poverty line make up 14% of the population, those below the "asset-based" poverty line equal 40% of the population. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer, indeed.