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Old June 2nd, 2008, 11:07 AM   #1
 
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So far this year there have been five disturbing flying crashes, where the car has literally taken off for no apparent reason. Injuries have been light, but the crashes have been epic.

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So far this year there have been five disturbing flying crashes, where the car has literally taken off for no apparent reason.
I'm sorry, but for me, the reason why these cars took off was quite obvious in all videos.
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Yeah, they fucked up and lost traction, etc. and when you get a car going sideways, backwards, or against a wall, it's so likely for it to flip and fly. After all, they are just airplanes upside down essentially.
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Wow, that last one was epic.
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So far this year there have been five disturbing flying crashes, where the car has literally taken off for no apparent reason.
All the aero works in reverse when the car is going backwards. Downforce changes into lift, it's not uncommon.
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I'm sorry, but for me, the reason why these cars took off was quite obvious in all videos.
Not really, if they fully understood why the cars take off when they get sideways, there would have been a rule change fix by now. The current rules are supposed to stop this happening!

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Wow, that last one was epic.
Would have been close to 200mph before the braking area images/smilies/blink.gif
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Not really, if they fully understood why the cars take off when they get sideways, there would have been a rule change fix by now. The current rules are supposed to stop this happening!
But besides majorly changing the cars shapes or forbidding this kind of racing as a whole, what do you want to do about it? Crashes will always happen, and they are too versatile to prevent a certain type from happening.
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Not really, if they fully understood why the cars take off when they get sideways, there would have been a rule change fix by now. The current rules are supposed to stop this happening!
I don't think any of the cars flipped just because they were sideways. All were helped by sliding on a bumpy grass (apart from Devlin who hit the wall, and I'm not sure if Capello was helped by another car). which lifted one side of the car and let air get underneath it. I don't think any of those cars would have taken off had they stayed on tarmac. I'm no aerodynamicist(however you spell that), but I'd say any reasonably flat plane like a sports prototype catching air beneath it at 150+mph it is going to generate a tremendous amount of lift for a moment.
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Exactly ^

as soon as air gets underneath, at least when you're really going fast, something's gonna lift up.

it all works good when the car is facing ahead though, obviously images/smilies/tongue.gif
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I don't think any of the cars flipped just because they were sideways. All were helped by sliding on a bumpy grass (apart from Devlin who hit the wall, and I'm not sure if Capello was helped by another car). which lifted one side of the car and let air get underneath it. I don't think any of those cars would have taken off had they stayed on tarmac. I'm no aerodynamicist(however you spell that), but I'd say any reasonably flat plane like a sports prototype catching air beneath it at 150+mph it is going to generate a tremendous amount of lift for a moment.
That effect of "catching air" caused the now notorious Mercedes CLR incidents as well; the front diffuser was very sensitive to bumps and, in certain pitch conditions, it could actually generate about 1-1.5 tons of lift for a fraction of a second.
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I heard about the 908 crash but only just saw the video, I can see why Marc Gene thought he was going to die - that's a big knock! Oh well, bring on Le Man and lets hope they keep the rubber on tarmac
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That effect of "catching air" caused the now notorious Mercedes CLR incidents as well; the front diffuser was very sensitive to bumps and, in certain pitch conditions, it could actually generate about 1-1.5 tons of lift for a fraction of a second.
Ask Mark Webber, his merc flipped twice on the same day images/smilies/lol.gif
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Ask Mark Webber, his merc flipped twice on the same day images/smilies/lol.gif
And then Peter Dumbreck, who got a breath-test alcohol check after landing in the treesimages/smilies/lmao.gif


Seriously, he was tested for alcohol level after having that monumental crash during the 1999 race. He commentated on the 2007 race for Motors TV, someone asked that on the forum, and he answered affirmatively and described what it was like.
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That effect of "catching air" caused the now notorious Mercedes CLR incidents as well; the front diffuser was very sensitive to bumps and, in certain pitch conditions, it could actually generate about 1-1.5 tons of lift for a fraction of a second.
Yea Mercedes knows how to make cars fly.

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