Random Thoughts... [Photographic Edition] - Page 53

Paddy · November 16th, 2009, 5:28 PM

Started out by making a small change to the header on my site, ended up completely re-skinning the site and hacking up a skin to suit mine better.

www.pmcgphotos.com

Any thoughts ?

darkshark0159 · November 16th, 2009, 5:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epp_b

rolling shutter "jello" effect

Hmm, good point. Another reason to go with the Lumix over the Canon SX1, as it has CCD. I've always been annoyed by the rolling shutter CMOS on my Sanyo.

epp_b · November 18th, 2009, 1:58 AM

Anyone else ever go out to shoot, only to return with nothing worth putting your name on?

Quote:

Started out by making a small change to the header on my site, ended up completely re-skinning the site and hacking up a skin to suit mine better.

www.pmcgphotos.com

Any thoughts ?

Simple is good, but that's a little too simple.

Redliner · November 18th, 2009, 2:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epp_b

Anyone else ever go out to shoot, only to return with nothing worth putting your name on?

Not really, but I notice that for every 300 pictures, about 15-20 are acceptable...

sifu · November 18th, 2009, 4:53 AM

i get with my digital the same rate as with film.. about one shot per film

SileNceR · November 18th, 2009, 7:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epp_b

Anyone else ever go out to shoot, only to return with nothing worth putting your name on?

I haven't been out to shoot anything in ages. No motivation for it.

Not sure why, and even catching a few cool shots with the iPhone hasn't kick started me back into it

nomix · November 18th, 2009, 7:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epp_b

Anyone else ever go out to shoot, only to return with nothing worth putting your name on?

It's all useless. Tried putting the camera into aperture priority, JPEG and matrix metering, and turning the screen to see if I liked what I came home with.

I did not. At all. Blargh.

epp_b · November 20th, 2009, 12:47 AM

OK, so I bought one of these things:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._Diffuser.html

I see no difference between using the flash bare and using the flash with this diffuser on. Shadows are still hard and nasty. What am I doing wrong?

hansvonaxion · November 20th, 2009, 1:28 AM

Do a test (like an object close to a wall), post results.

epp_b · November 20th, 2009, 1:37 AM

With:

Without:

Same exposure, same flash power, etc.

Yes, I know, direct flash, looks like arse, etc. I thought the idea was that I could use the diffuser to light things more directly.

And here's some nice, even, natural-looking bounced flash:

Short of buying an umbrella, stand, etc., is there something I can get (or make) that will diffuse the light similarly to an umbrella, but I can just attach to the flash?

Ramseus · November 20th, 2009, 3:50 AM

According to the the-digtal-picture guy (he talks about in the flash reviews), that diffuser was bound to give such results because of the area of the light source. Makes sense, the area of the light source is essentially unchanged so the shadows will still be just as sharply defined. Larger light source, larger distance between the light being fully obscured and not obscured, aka larger penumbra.

if that's not a good explanation, here's a super unscientific diagram

something like this should give you soft shadows.

epp_b · November 20th, 2009, 3:56 AM

Poop. So, why do they even sell this thing?

Also, I just rigged together a softbox with a cardboard box and a sheet of tracing paper. Works much better.

Ramseus · November 20th, 2009, 4:22 AM

I don't even know. Maybe because Ken Rockwell thinks diffusers work like soft boxes? Diffusers just like make the light spread out more or something (see: canikon flashes with built in diffusers to turn the bare 24mm coverage into 14mm coverage) so you could end up with the flash boucning around a bit more and more light ending up in your shadows so it looks a bit better, but whatever.

hansvonaxion · November 20th, 2009, 4:23 AM

To get suckers like you? I kid. Thanks for the pics BTW, that info should be added to a database somewhere.

Didn't twig until Ramseus explained it. Makes sense. If it's any consolation you could make a diffuser yourself out of everyday items you can find in your kitchen.

epp_b · November 20th, 2009, 4:44 AM

Quote:

To get suckers like you? I kid.

Hey, I first asked you guys if it was any good

Oh, well. It makes a nice flash cover, I guess :\

Quote:

If it's any consolation you could make a diffuser yourself out of everyday items you can find in your kitchen.

Yup, cut a hole in a cardboard box, put some tracing paper over the other end. Works quite nicely.

Direct flash (looks like arse)

Softbox with 1 sheet of tracing paper

Softbox with 2 sheets of tracing paper

Softbox with 3 sheets of tracing paper

Bounced off the ceiling

I'll experiment more when I can use it off-camera tomorrow

hansvonaxion · November 20th, 2009, 5:22 AM

Nice work. Did it sap much light?

epp_b · November 20th, 2009, 5:26 AM

Nope, I didn't even have to adjust the power when I added the extra paper.

Redliner · November 20th, 2009, 11:34 AM

When looking at the two pictures, I think there is a good improvement with the diffuser.

epp_b · November 20th, 2009, 12:06 PM

Are you talking about my last post there? That was with a redneck softbox, not the diffuser.

Redliner · November 20th, 2009, 12:48 PM

No, I was talking about the photos of the bag.

November 16th, 2009, 5:28 PM	#1041
Paddy Previously known as Cosworth Joined: Mar 24th, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Waterford, Rep of Ireland Age: 24 Posts: 2,061 Rep Power: 55	Started out by making a small change to the header on my site, ended up completely re-skinning the site and hacking up a skin to suit mine better. www.pmcgphotos.com Any thoughts ? __________________ w: www.pmcgphotos.com e: paddy@pmcgphotos.com

November 18th, 2009, 4:53 AM	#1045
sifu Joined: Feb 16th, 2007 Last Online: 6:13 AM Location: Finland Posts: 1,198 Car: Ford Mondeo Rep Power: 44	i get with my digital the same rate as with film.. about one shot per film __________________

November 20th, 2009, 12:47 AM	#1048
epp_b Unexperienced lover. Joined: Jun 23rd, 2006 Last Online: 5:53 AM Location: Canadaland :) Posts: 8,224 Car: 1995 Nissan 240SX Rep Power: 274	OK, so I bought one of these things: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._Diffuser.html I see no difference between using the flash bare and using the flash with this diffuser on. Shadows are still hard and nasty. What am I doing wrong? __________________ www.eppbphoto.com Despite my given title, I am neither "unexperienced" (sic) nor a "lover"

November 20th, 2009, 1:28 AM	#1049
hansvonaxion Joined: Apr 8th, 2005 Last Online: 4:17 AM Location: Tokyo Posts: 1,900 Car: CB400SF Hyper VTEC Rep Power: 77	Do a test (like an object close to a wall), post results. __________________ Pics from Japantastic thread now at inpictures.tokyobytes.com Thanks for looking.

November 20th, 2009, 1:37 AM	#1050
epp_b Unexperienced lover. Joined: Jun 23rd, 2006 Last Online: 5:53 AM Location: Canadaland :) Posts: 8,224 Car: 1995 Nissan 240SX Rep Power: 274	With: Without: Same exposure, same flash power, etc. Yes, I know, direct flash, looks like arse, etc. I thought the idea was that I could use the diffuser to light things more directly. And here's some nice, even, natural-looking bounced flash: Short of buying an umbrella, stand, etc., is there something I can get (or make) that will diffuse the light similarly to an umbrella, but I can just attach to the flash? __________________ www.eppbphoto.com Despite my given title, I am neither "unexperienced" (sic) nor a "lover" Last edited by epp_b; November 20th, 2009 at 1:43 AM.

November 20th, 2009, 3:50 AM	#1051
Ramseus Have you been high today? Joined: Jan 11th, 2008 Last Online: 7:05 AM Location: Win a pig, Democratic Republic of Canadaland Age: 20 Posts: 2,804 Car: 2002 Hyundai Accent lol Rep Power: 220	According to the the-digtal-picture guy (he talks about in the flash reviews), that diffuser was bound to give such results because of the area of the light source. Makes sense, the area of the light source is essentially unchanged so the shadows will still be just as sharply defined. Larger light source, larger distance between the light being fully obscured and not obscured, aka larger penumbra. if that's not a good explanation, here's a super unscientific diagram something like this should give you soft shadows. __________________ horse walks into a bar, bartender says, "why the long face?"

November 20th, 2009, 3:56 AM	#1052
epp_b Unexperienced lover. Joined: Jun 23rd, 2006 Last Online: 5:53 AM Location: Canadaland :) Posts: 8,224 Car: 1995 Nissan 240SX Rep Power: 274	Poop. So, why do they even sell this thing? Also, I just rigged together a softbox with a cardboard box and a sheet of tracing paper. Works much better. __________________ www.eppbphoto.com Despite my given title, I am neither "unexperienced" (sic) nor a "lover" Last edited by epp_b; November 20th, 2009 at 4:18 AM.

November 20th, 2009, 4:22 AM	#1053
Ramseus Have you been high today? Joined: Jan 11th, 2008 Last Online: 7:05 AM Location: Win a pig, Democratic Republic of Canadaland Age: 20 Posts: 2,804 Car: 2002 Hyundai Accent lol Rep Power: 220	I don't even know. Maybe because Ken Rockwell thinks diffusers work like soft boxes? Diffusers just like make the light spread out more or something (see: canikon flashes with built in diffusers to turn the bare 24mm coverage into 14mm coverage) so you could end up with the flash boucning around a bit more and more light ending up in your shadows so it looks a bit better, but whatever. __________________ horse walks into a bar, bartender says, "why the long face?"

November 20th, 2009, 4:23 AM	#1054
hansvonaxion Joined: Apr 8th, 2005 Last Online: 4:17 AM Location: Tokyo Posts: 1,900 Car: CB400SF Hyper VTEC Rep Power: 77	To get suckers like you? I kid. Thanks for the pics BTW, that info should be added to a database somewhere. Didn't twig until Ramseus explained it. Makes sense. If it's any consolation you could make a diffuser yourself out of everyday items you can find in your kitchen. __________________ Pics from Japantastic thread now at inpictures.tokyobytes.com Thanks for looking.

November 20th, 2009, 5:22 AM	#1056
hansvonaxion Joined: Apr 8th, 2005 Last Online: 4:17 AM Location: Tokyo Posts: 1,900 Car: CB400SF Hyper VTEC Rep Power: 77	Nice work. Did it sap much light? __________________ Pics from Japantastic thread now at inpictures.tokyobytes.com Thanks for looking.

November 20th, 2009, 5:26 AM	#1057
epp_b Unexperienced lover. Joined: Jun 23rd, 2006 Last Online: 5:53 AM Location: Canadaland :) Posts: 8,224 Car: 1995 Nissan 240SX Rep Power: 274	Nope, I didn't even have to adjust the power when I added the extra paper. __________________ www.eppbphoto.com Despite my given title, I am neither "unexperienced" (sic) nor a "lover"

November 20th, 2009, 11:34 AM	#1058
Redliner Joined: May 19th, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Brazil - South America Age: 30 Posts: 6,002 Car: Fiat Palio 1.6 16v Rep Power: 193	When looking at the two pictures, I think there is a good improvement with the diffuser. __________________ How YOU doin'?

November 20th, 2009, 12:06 PM	#1059
epp_b Unexperienced lover. Joined: Jun 23rd, 2006 Last Online: 5:53 AM Location: Canadaland :) Posts: 8,224 Car: 1995 Nissan 240SX Rep Power: 274	Are you talking about my last post there? That was with a redneck softbox, not the diffuser. __________________ www.eppbphoto.com Despite my given title, I am neither "unexperienced" (sic) nor a "lover"

November 20th, 2009, 12:48 PM	#1060
Redliner Joined: May 19th, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Brazil - South America Age: 30 Posts: 6,002 Car: Fiat Palio 1.6 16v Rep Power: 193	No, I was talking about the photos of the bag. __________________ How YOU doin'?

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