2008 US Presidential Elections - Page 3

teeb · January 15th, 2008, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Firecat

You make it sound like we are there for their oil.

You were there for other reasons? images/smilies/tongue.gif

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Originally Posted by jetsetter

Iraq has strategic importance (ie location, natural resources, etc). We have spent too much just to let it go.

So you invade, kill loads of locals, hang about for 5 years and you can claim it as yours, because you need the natural resources?

The Brits did that 80 years ago but they're not claiming it for their own.

The only thing that makes sense, really, is that Iraq belongs to Iraqis and isn't a 51st state. The problem is finding a way to bring about the stability needed for Iraqis to form a stable country and government.

anti-net · January 15th, 2008, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jetsetter

That is one of the reasons I support him. Iraq has been fairly messed up for decades, a few years of us being there will not fix it. I want to be there for 100 years, I want huge military bases and thousands of troops. I want a presence in the Middle East for as long as we can manage it.

Why do you think America can manage the middle east? And Shouldn't America has gone Saddam in 1991 and put him away for crimes against humanity?

jetsetter · January 15th, 2008, 08:54 PM

I really don't care why we went their in the first place but the truth is that we are there. Might as well make something of it. But even if we are there just to provide stability that itself will take years.

tigger · January 16th, 2008, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jetsetter

Iraq has strategic importance (ie location, natural resources, etc). We have spent too much just to let it go.

What? You're talking like we bought the place images/smilies/wacko.gif

. If the war itself had even had a reason; if Iraq as a whole had posed a threat to us then maybe, maybe such thinking would be justified.

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Originally Posted by jetsetter

I really don't care why we went their in the first place but the truth is that we are there. Might as well make something of it. But even if we are there just to provide stability that itself will take years.

Ignoring the reasons (or lack thereof) for our being in Iraq makes for pretty piss poor arguments jet images/smilies/wink.gif

. What do you propose we "make of it"? We're not going to recoup the money we've dumped into Iraq. Certainly thousands of GI's won't magically spring back to life. You can equate our situation in Iraq to Uncle Sam smacking a beehive then trying to swat all the bees. You even seem to be hoping a little honey will fall out. Nope, we may kill a shitload of bees, but you're not going to get any honey; just stung.

I could keep going with that analogy, but I think I'll just stop before it gets really bad images/smilies/lol.gif

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Firecat · January 16th, 2008, 06:02 PM

Courtesy of Mike Huckabee a couple of days ago...

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"I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God. And that's what we need to do, is to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards."

Wow.

tigger · January 16th, 2008, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Firecat

Courtesy of Mike Huckabee a couple of days ago...

I can't even form a coherent argument to that. Not without using an absurd amount of obscenities at least. There's just so much wrong with that statement ...

cvrefugee · January 16th, 2008, 08:01 PM

And people rag on Romney for being Mormon? Wow Huckabee, just wow.

vegasrebel29 · January 16th, 2008, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cvrefugee

And people rag on Romney for being Mormon? Wow Huckabee, just wow.

The Mormon thing is a convenient excuse to hate a man you should likely hate anyway. Unless you like smarmy fake businessmen. Then he's your man.

Also, it is precisely BECAUSE Huckabee is playing so much to the religion aspect that he won't win the nomination, much less the election. The GOP wants someone electable, and unless there's another Great Awakening (knock on wood) between now and November, he's as electable as Hitler in 1945.

/In before Godwin's Law.

cvrefugee · January 16th, 2008, 08:28 PM

Well, since I'm a moderate Republican I would like to see Ron Paul in the White House, but that probably won't happen. So my vote will go to Romney if the RNC decides on him.

Firecat · January 16th, 2008, 08:49 PM

I haven't looked at their records (closely) or examined them on all issues, but just from watching the debates, listening to some speeches etc...I don't seem to mind Romney that much, and I think I prefer him over the other frontrunners from the GOP.

vegasrebel29 · January 16th, 2008, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cvrefugee

Well, since I'm a moderate Republican I would like to see Ron Paul in the White House, but that probably won't happen. So my vote will go to Romney if the RNC decides on him.

Wait... how the hell did you manage to reconcile your beliefs in Ron Paul with MITT ROMNEY?!

cvrefugee · January 17th, 2008, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by vegasrebel29

Wait... how the hell did you manage to reconcile your beliefs in Ron Paul with MITT ROMNEY?!

Ron Paul for President is a pipe dream. So even though I'm more politically aligned with his platform, I must choose someone who has a better chance. We don't want another Ross Perot incident this time around.

vegasrebel29 · January 17th, 2008, 12:49 PM

Once upon a time, the nation in which we reside was also regarded as a pipedream. With that in mind, I won't be counting him out until after Tsunami Tuesday at the earliest.

Also, among the other candidates I think the only other two I could stomach are Duncan Hunter and John McCain, in that order. But I wouldn't vote for McCain, and I don't really understand Hunter.

CyberMonkey · January 18th, 2008, 09:50 AM

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS...gop/index.html

He has reiterated his support for constitutional amendments to ban abortion and same-sex marriage -- which he told the Web site Beliefnet.com could open the door to polygamy, pedophilia and bestiality.

What we need to do is to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards, rather than try to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view of how we treat each other and how we treat the family.

People like that are allowed to run for president over there? Holy shit.

hajj · January 18th, 2008, 12:41 PM

Well it is a free country, so everybody is entitled to their opinion. You can't claim to be liberal and then ban someones opinion. images/smilies/wink.gif

CyberMonkey · January 18th, 2008, 02:04 PM

Yeah, I know. However, if I'd read those quotes without knowing from who they are, I would think they were for a presidential campaign in Iran.

conceptualman · January 19th, 2008, 08:55 AM

i sometimes try to figure out why so few presidential candidates have very much common sense . maybe it has to do with the type of personality you need in order to be a politician . they have empathy in place of reason , or at least think they do ...

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jayhawk · January 19th, 2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by conceptualman

i sometimes try to figure out why so few presidential candidates have very much common sense . maybe it has to do with the type of personality you need in order to be a politician . they have empathy in place of reason , or at least think they do ...

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You are quite correct. It takes a special person to be in politics; and I don't mean special as in good. They are cut from the same cloth as political protesters, welfare freeloaders and ambulance chasing lawyers, which is why the majority of decent, hardworking folks have such a disdain for politicians and their antics.

Cobol74 · January 19th, 2008, 01:37 PM

OK - I think it will be OBAMA vs McCain - with McCain winning. What's your bet?

jayhawk · January 19th, 2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobol74

OK - I think it will be OBAMA vs McCain - with McCain winning. What's your bet?

It will be Clinton and Romney, in my opinion.

See, the democrats are very clear cut in their political ideals, but on the republican side, the popular candidates are running on a moderate, wishy washy populist platform.

And I think that is wrong. Ronald Regan ran on a conservative platform and won in 49 states in 1980. And again in 1984. I think the American voter will have more respect for a candidate that stands up and makes clear their parties ideals, rather than trying to hide them by using

January 15th, 2008, 08:54 PM	#43
jetsetter Joined: Dec 11th, 2005 Last Online: 02:09 AM Location: Most Serene Republic of California Posts: 4,733 Car: 1992 Toyota Pickup Rep Power: 39	I really don't care why we went their in the first place but the truth is that we are there. Might as well make something of it. But even if we are there just to provide stability that itself will take years. __________________ "Let's not forget that we are fighting for peace and for the welfare of mankind.” -Potsdam Conference - Harry S. Truman "This month's public bread is provided by the Capitoline Brotherhood of Millers. The Brotherhood uses only the finest flour: true Roman bread for true Romans." -Rome - Newsreader

January 16th, 2008, 08:49 PM	#50
Firecat Politically Charged Joined: Mar 23rd, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Posts: 3,610 Rep Power: 28	I haven't looked at their records (closely) or examined them on all issues, but just from watching the debates, listening to some speeches etc...I don't seem to mind Romney that much, and I think I prefer him over the other frontrunners from the GOP. __________________ Last edited by Firecat; January 16th, 2008 at 08:53 PM..

January 17th, 2008, 12:49 PM	#53
vegasrebel29 Joined: Mar 18th, 2007 Last Online: 01:40 AM Location: Las Vegas Age: 21 Posts: 555 Car: Chevrolet Silverado Rep Power: 19	Once upon a time, the nation in which we reside was also regarded as a pipedream. With that in mind, I won't be counting him out until after Tsunami Tuesday at the earliest. Also, among the other candidates I think the only other two I could stomach are Duncan Hunter and John McCain, in that order. But I wouldn't vote for McCain, and I don't really understand Hunter. __________________

January 18th, 2008, 09:50 AM	#54
CyberMonkey Joined: Jan 22nd, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Belgium Age: 22 Posts: 1,659 Rep Power: 23	http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS...gop/index.html He has reiterated his support for constitutional amendments to ban abortion and same-sex marriage -- which he told the Web site Beliefnet.com could open the door to polygamy, pedophilia and bestiality. What we need to do is to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards, rather than try to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view of how we treat each other and how we treat the family. People like that are allowed to run for president over there? Holy shit. __________________ Arena51 forum

January 18th, 2008, 12:41 PM	#55
hajj Joined: Mar 29th, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Rotterdam, Netherlands Posts: 1,648 Rep Power: 18	Well it is a free country, so everybody is entitled to their opinion. You can't claim to be liberal and then ban someones opinion. __________________ Global Warming isn't working - I am FREEZING!!

January 16th, 2008, 08:01 PM	#47
cvrefugee Joined: Aug 16th, 2004 Last Online: 12:57 AM Location: Corona, CA Age: 28 Posts: 3,399 Car: 2005 Scion xB Rep Power: 58	And people rag on Romney for being Mormon? Wow Huckabee, just wow.

January 16th, 2008, 08:28 PM	#49
cvrefugee Joined: Aug 16th, 2004 Last Online: 12:57 AM Location: Corona, CA Age: 28 Posts: 3,399 Car: 2005 Scion xB Rep Power: 58	Well, since I'm a moderate Republican I would like to see Ron Paul in the White House, but that probably won't happen. So my vote will go to Romney if the RNC decides on him.

January 18th, 2008, 02:04 PM	#56
CyberMonkey Joined: Jan 22nd, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Belgium Age: 22 Posts: 1,659 Rep Power: 23	Yeah, I know. However, if I'd read those quotes without knowing from who they are, I would think they were for a presidential campaign in Iran. __________________ Arena51 forum

January 19th, 2008, 08:55 AM	#57
conceptualman Joined: Feb 17th, 2007 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Louisville,Ky U.S.A. Posts: 148 Car: H-1 (the one in my imagination),a normal car Rep Power: 0	i sometimes try to figure out why so few presidential candidates have very much common sense . maybe it has to do with the type of personality you need in order to be a politician . they have empathy in place of reason , or at least think they do ... __________________ Idiots:feel free to negrep me and make sure to leave a nasty comment , you putz . Thank you . G Who is john galt ?

January 19th, 2008, 01:37 PM	#59
Cobol74 Joined: Mar 21st, 2006 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Southampton Posts: 5,806 Car: Vauxhall Zafira 1.9 TDI Slush box. Rep Power: 50	OK - I think it will be OBAMA vs McCain - with McCain winning. What's your bet? __________________