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Won't argue with that
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here here, hope this plan crashes and burns. Gotta love the jam it down your throat approach they're taking before they think we'll actually read this bill. What a joke, here's to your hope and change this country wanted.
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This isn't anything new for me since it is existentially the mandatory discount insurance I am on right now....
Massachusetts of course is SO AHEAD on these things.
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EDIT: I've changed my mind since I posted.
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Unexperienced lover.
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Z0mgg!!1111 nashunL helthcarr = c0mmyounizum!!111
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Now.. correct me if I'm wrong.
Under this health care reform, rich people, such as writers for Fortune magazine are still free to pay into a private health plan. Which means they lose no "freedoms" at all. Nothing is being taken away from those people. Again, and I'm fully prepared to be corrected, is that Obamas plan extends health care to those who can't afford it. And to be honest, those people don't have the "freedom" to choose a doctor right now, so they aren't losing out. Isn't the use of the word "freedom" a shitty way of framing this? But hey, it fits the agenda that "health care=communism". But then, a national health plan is clearly a bad thing - why should I pay $250/month for absolutely everything when I can pay $700/month for less than half of the coverage?
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As a member of the "rest of world" group the US system current and future is just mystifying.
The NHS has it's problems, but it provides a basic standard of medical treatment for all UK citizens with no end user fee. The idea that having been rushed to A&E i'd then have to pay for the ambulance seems ridiculous. There is such a big difference in mentality . |
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This is what the opponents of health care reform want to see continue.
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As I grew older, I wanted to become like Jeremy Clarkson. Unfortunately, it appears that I'm turning into James May. On the plus side, I know that at least I can drive better than Richard Hammond. %age of anonymous +reps: 26 (21/80) %age of anonymous -reps: 83 (10/12) Check your facts and your sources. Or else I will. |
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It might seems right, when you are young, and healthy, and maybe rich, to ask for the "freedom", your right to not pay more than what you cost. And your right it is, indeed. But then, if you need treatments you can't afford, you suddenly notice what you've lost: you've lost your right to be healthy, you've lost your freedom to choose whether to be healthy or unhealthy. It's not that you can't be treated, it's that you can't afford it. Someone else's decides upon your life. It's not that he can't save you, it is he won't because you can't pay enough. That's sad. Let's not forget that many people simply don't choose to be unhealthy, they just are, even if they don't follow unhealthy lifestyles. To have one freedom, the freedom to choose to be cured, the freedom to choose to help other people so that other people may choose to help you when you need it, you need to renounce (totally or in part) to your freedom to only pay what you actually cost. it's a hard choice, but it not as if someone is about to rob you from your money. ------------- As usual, this is my opinion. |
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In Norway I can have the doctor I want.
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When do people choose to get sick? "What do I fancy doing today? I know, I'll get cancer!" Look at the swine flu thing, people aren't choosing to catch it. It happens. So does busting a knee while doing something healthy like playing sport.
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As I grew older, I wanted to become like Jeremy Clarkson. Unfortunately, it appears that I'm turning into James May. On the plus side, I know that at least I can drive better than Richard Hammond. %age of anonymous +reps: 26 (21/80) %age of anonymous -reps: 83 (10/12) Check your facts and your sources. Or else I will. |
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I hate your sig!
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I'm sorry, but seeing how fucked up the american health care system is in its current state and also seeing that the health care costs are twice as high as in most other first world countries I think its rather weird to see so much hostility towards a new system.
Here in Germany you can choose your own doctor while still being on the standard health care plan. We had a reform this year so every insurance has to offer the basic plan to anyone, so the risks are evenly distributed and nobody has to give up his life for paying medical bills. You can also have a private health care plan with all private insurances if you want more coverage. |
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Un-dee, quit thinking like that - it makes you a Goddamned Communist!
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As I grew older, I wanted to become like Jeremy Clarkson. Unfortunately, it appears that I'm turning into James May. On the plus side, I know that at least I can drive better than Richard Hammond. %age of anonymous +reps: 26 (21/80) %age of anonymous -reps: 83 (10/12) Check your facts and your sources. Or else I will. |
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What you will get:
The freedom to be treathed no matter who you are, where you live, what you earn, what your condition is and so on. There is a great scare about socialized health care. It is generally without merit, and merly theoretical.
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I'm not sure why health insurance should be mandatory in the first place. If you want to but into it, then by all means go right ahead. If you don't get sick very often (maybe that's a bad example lol) and think you can get by without insurance, then you shouldn't be forced to get it.
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It's funny how in the country where 2/3 are overweight and 1/3 are Obese, ppl fight to deny health care to 50 million who can't afford it, instead of denying fast food to 350 million.
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I'd like to see your facts, please. Also, just because my neighbor is a fatass, doesn't mean that I want Obama to shove his idea of what my healthcare plan should be down my throat.
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