Angelina Jolie brings out the big guns - Page 2

jetsetter · June 4th, 2008, 04:50 AM

I would see it as something akin to what the United States has had with Germany and Japan since the end of World War Two. While not having direct control we would have great influence in the Iraqi government, enough to meet goals such as large bases and a military presence without the baggage like in Turkey or Saudi Arabia.

Firecat · June 4th, 2008, 05:14 AM

I don't think such a comparison is accurate. Was there really any resistance to the occupation of Germany and Japan? The military was much larger and let's not even begin to compare the economy back then to now.

Blind_Io · June 4th, 2008, 05:29 AM

^ Actually, yes there was. There was also a strong insurgent force, especially in Germany. Allied soldiers took to fitting tall cutting blades on the front bumpers of the Jeeps because insurgents would string piano or other wire over the road at neck height in an attempt to decapitate drivers and passengers in open vehicles.

the infinite jar · June 4th, 2008, 06:09 AM

This thread did not deliver. But yet it did.

Firecat · June 4th, 2008, 06:31 AM

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^ Actually, yes there was. There was also a strong insurgent force, especially in Germany. Allied soldiers took to fitting tall cutting blades on the front bumpers of the Jeeps because insurgents would string piano or other wire over the road at neck height in an attempt to decapitate drivers and passengers in open vehicles.

I don't doubt that there were Nazi sympathisers that carried out attacks. But I wouldn't call them a "strong insurgent force" and nowhere near the scale of that in Iraq.

But if you have sources that prove otherwise, I'm open to reading them.

One could argue that the heavy-handed approach by Allied forces (internments etc) prevented such a force from being organized.

jeffy777 · June 4th, 2008, 07:31 AM

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I don't think such a comparison is accurate. Was there really any resistance to the occupation of Germany and Japan? The military was much larger and let's not even begin to compare the economy back then to now.

Well, there was a huge war that preceded the occupation of Germany and Japan in which both those countries were fighting for all they were worth. I think you could call that a "resistance to the occupation" of those countries images/smilies/smile.gif

It's not like they just threw their arms down and let the Allies come in from the beginning. We had to kick their asses first. At that point, their morale was shattered and, as a result, there wasn't a large scale resistance, although there was some, such as what Blind mentioned.

Firecat · June 4th, 2008, 07:36 AM

But we were referring to the period after WWII. The will to carry on was just lost for the most part.

I tried to find some more information on this topic (like casualities), but couldn't. Every source backs up my assertion.

jeffy777 · June 4th, 2008, 07:40 AM

Yeah, but you have to look at the whole picture (i.e. the events leading up to the period after) to understand why there wasn't more resistance immediately following the war.

argatoga · June 4th, 2008, 07:51 AM

There is a big difference between Germany/Japan and Iraq the former were prosperous before being occupied. Yes the US did help them but they already knew how to run a successful economy and the like. The Middle East has been going down hill ever since the 16th century when world trade moved to the Atlantic.

The US dose not need bases in Iraq, nor Turkey or Saudi Arabia. The only reason US bases exist in Turkey was so the US could put nukes on the Soviet border.

jeffy777 · June 4th, 2008, 07:54 AM

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There is a big difference between Germany/Japan and Iraq the former were prosperous before being occupied.

Good point.

bafranksbro · June 4th, 2008, 07:10 PM

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Ah, I wanted political tits. images/smilies/sad.gif

So you could remove them from the thread and keep the link for yourself? images/smilies/lol.gif

Posmo · June 6th, 2008, 07:43 AM

What the fuck!? I came here expecting some stonking great tittery!!! images/smilies/mad.gif

Blind_Io · June 6th, 2008, 08:35 AM

That's it! "Great tittery" has just been officially added to my lexicon!

AnGuRuSO · June 6th, 2008, 10:21 AM

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improve our strategic position in the region.

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Posmo · June 10th, 2008, 06:05 PM

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That's it! "Great tittery" has just been officially added to my lexicon!

pfft.. Where's my +rep then? images/smilies/biggrin.gif

BlaRo · June 11th, 2008, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jetsetter

I would see it as something akin to what the United States has had with Germany and Japan since the end of World War Two. While not having direct control we would have great influence in the Iraqi government, enough to meet goals such as large bases and a military presence without the baggage like in Turkey or Saudi Arabia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine-American_war

You're a learned man, surely you must know this bit of American history. The parallels, from what I see, between that and today's war are shocking.

Those who fail to learn history, yada yada yada.

VillageIdiot · June 11th, 2008, 10:49 AM

Tits or gtfo!

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argatoga Joined: Oct 4th, 2005 Last Online: 02:35 AM Location: Washington State, USA Age: 24 Posts: 1,746 Car: '97 Mustang GT Rep Power: 40	There is a big difference between Germany/Japan and Iraq the former were prosperous before being occupied. Yes the US did help them but they already knew how to run a successful economy and the like. The Middle East has been going down hill ever since the 16th century when world trade moved to the Atlantic. The US dose not need bases in Iraq, nor Turkey or Saudi Arabia. The only reason US bases exist in Turkey was so the US could put nukes on the Soviet border. __________________ "Until a President is killed in a 300c, it can NEVER be as awesome as the Lincoln Continental." - thedguy "But to take alobohol rectally... Couldn't that kill a man?!?" - Austere "If you think about it breast implants aren't much different than braces. Their main purpose is to improve one's appearance, at least that's how it was in my case." - KaJun

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