atheist and non-believers, are you offended? - Page 6

fbc · September 7th, 2005, 05:00 AM

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No, its not, either a God exists and he/she is responsible for everything or there is not god at all. I opt for the second choice.

Second choice for me. As for the poll - yes I get offended when anyone with religious beliefs tries to judge me or force their religious beliefs and values on me.

I don't go around trying to convince people there is no god, so why should I have to put up with religious whacks doing it to me?

Each to their own, live and let live and all that, but keep your beliefs to yourself.

astroboymoto · September 7th, 2005, 05:20 AM

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I don't go around trying to convince people there is no god

I do

but usually just in retaliation to some form of conversion effort... usually images/smilies/lol.gif

Dr. Woo · September 7th, 2005, 09:07 AM

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No, its not, either a God exists and he/she is responsible for everything or there is not god at all. I opt for the second choice.

It's just as much a stretch to say there is no God as it is to say there is one. images/smilies/dunno.gif

fbc · September 7th, 2005, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jayjaya29

No, its not, either a God exists and he/she is responsible for everything or there is not god at all. I opt for the second choice.

It's just as much a stretch to say there is no God as it is to say there is one. images/smilies/dunno.gif

How so? It's just the same as saying there's no Santa Claus, or Easter Bunny*

*No offence meant to those believers.

swek · September 7th, 2005, 09:30 AM

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How so? It's just the same as saying there's no Santa Claus, or Easter Bunny*

I'm far from being a believer but I can't see how the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus are related to the creation of the universe.

BTW. How come this topic is active again. Please let it rest in peace.

Dr. Woo · September 7th, 2005, 09:43 AM

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How so? It's just the same as saying there's no Santa Claus, or Easter Bunny*

*No offence meant to those believers.

No...it isn't. We have proof that such things do not exist. You cannot prove beyond any reasonable doubt that God does not exist any more than you can prove He does exist. It's faith either way. There's too much we don't know. Sure, history has shown that the more we discover about the universe, the less and less likely it is that God exists. But it wouldn't be the first time that such a trend was reversed, and until we KNOW, I maintain my previous statement.

This is why I think it stupid to tell someone that they are [insert adjective here] to think that God does or does not exist. The only reason I think more people should embrace God is because of the feeling you get and how it can help you through difficult situations, not because I have some preoccupation with making people believe (as some truly ignorant and self-righteous dickheads seem to have). Since I am such a strong proponent of individual liberties and freedoms, who am I to say you should or should not believe? It's up to YOU. It's YOUR personal relationship with God. Or not!

Good way to end this thread?

fbc · September 7th, 2005, 10:08 AM

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How so? It's just the same as saying there's no Santa Claus, or Easter Bunny*

*No offence meant to those believers.

No...it isn't. We have proof that such things do not exist. You cannot prove beyond any reasonable doubt that God does not exist any more than you can prove He does exist. It's faith either way. There's too much we don't know. Sure, history has shown that the more we discover about the universe, the less and less likely it is that God exists. But it wouldn't be the first time that such a trend was reversed, and until we KNOW, I maintain my previous statement.

This is why I think it stupid to tell someone that they are [insert adjective here] to think that God does or does not exist. The only reason I think more people should embrace God is because of the feeling you get and how it can help you through difficult situations, not because I have some preoccupation with making people believe (as some truly ignorant and self-righteous dickheads seem to have). Since I am such a strong proponent of individual liberties and freedoms, who am I to say you should or should not believe? It's up to YOU. It's YOUR personal relationship with God. Or not!

Good way to end this thread?

Steady on - I've never told anyone they're stupid because they believe in God. My post wasn't meant to imply that.

Not believing in God is not a question a faith. There's no proof God exists - without proof it's a question of faith to believe in him/her/it/them.

But to not believe in something due to a lack of proof - well that's just using the facts and evidence available, nothing to do with faith.

Dr. Woo · September 7th, 2005, 11:43 AM

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Steady on - I've never told anyone they're stupid because they believe in God. My post wasn't meant to imply that.

No, I never meant to claim you did.

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Not believing in God is not a question a faith. There's no proof God exists - without proof it's a question of faith to believe in him/her/it/them.

But to not believe in something due to a lack of proof - well that's just using the facts and evidence available, nothing to do with faith.

So by using this logic...saying that God does exist is not a question of faith either, because there's no proof He DOESN'T exist.

fbc · September 7th, 2005, 11:57 AM

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Steady on - I've never told anyone they're stupid because they believe in God. My post wasn't meant to imply that.

No, I never meant to claim you did.

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Not believing in God is not a question a faith. There's no proof God exists - without proof it's a question of faith to believe in him/her/it/them.

But to not believe in something due to a lack of proof - well that's just using the facts and evidence available, nothing to do with faith.

So by using this logic...saying that God does exist is not a question of faith either, because there's no proof He DOESN'T exist.

I don't agree - like I said, IMHO believing in something because there's no evidence that it doesn't exist is a question of faith. Whereas not believing in something because there's no proof of it's existence is just using the facts available, faith isn't involved.

Let's face facts - we're not likely to ever agree on this.

Dr. Woo · September 7th, 2005, 12:19 PM

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I don't agree - like I said, IMHO believing in something because there's no evidence that it doesn't exist is a question of faith. Whereas not believing in something because there's no proof of it's existence is just using the facts available, faith isn't involved.

But that's not the case. It's the same on both sides...it's a question of believing in a Godless universe or believing in a universe with God. Both sides have everything to prove.

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Let's face facts - we're not likely to ever agree on this.

I'm just trying to explain how it's a stretch either way. You can't prove He does exist, you can't prove He doesn't exist. That's what it boils down to.

astroboymoto · September 7th, 2005, 12:33 PM

God is matter and anti-matter colliding creating the universe, no person was alive till billions of years later, no doubt the creation story was created by some bearded jew walking around embarrassed by the fact his parents were monkeys, hoping to hide the fact with some crack pipe story about how god made him...

or at least that's my view 8) if you are offended, then you're welcome to say I'm going to the hell I don't believe in. images/smilies/wink.gif

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jayjaya29 · September 7th, 2005, 08:41 PM

Now look, if you believe in a God, I am going to respect that you believe in a God. I don't believe that God exists, so you should in theory respect me for that.

I don't think proof of God, or proof that God doesn't exist will ever surface. I don't think that there is any evidence to prove either case, so its boils down to what is more plausible in your mind. To each his own.

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astroboymoto Joined: Jan 11th, 2005 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 360 Rep Power: 0	God is matter and anti-matter colliding creating the universe, no person was alive till billions of years later, no doubt the creation story was created by some bearded jew walking around embarrassed by the fact his parents were monkeys, hoping to hide the fact with some crack pipe story about how god made him... or at least that's my view 8) if you are offended, then you're welcome to say I'm going to the hell I don't believe in.

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