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flyingfridge · September 13th, 2005, 01:57 PM

^^ yes, you are right freakster, it has to be done the right way. Violence will get you nowhere. It has to be done in a firm way so the child will know they have done wrong, but not in a way that they disrespect you.

God listen to me. This is ridiculous. Man I'm glad I don't live at home anymore.

astroboymoto · September 13th, 2005, 02:04 PM

violence may not get you anywhere, but it feels good while you're doing it, and aren't they always on about "feel good" living images/smilies/lol.gif

like I am perfectly happy to damage SUVs that try and kill me by merging on top of me while I'm riding images/smilies/smile.gif

doesn't make it right but they look the next time images/smilies/smile.gif

Dr. Woo · September 13th, 2005, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z Draci

I have to say that good parenting would solve a lot of our social problems. I really believe that if an adult cannot meet a specific intelligence or economic level by some age his/her reproductive organs should be removed or disabled for life. It's only because of irresponsible parents that we have teenage thieves and murderers. Bad parents give birth to a new generation of bad parents. We need to stop that cycle before it poliferates any further. images/smilies/tongue.gif

I'm guessing by your smilie that you are joking, and I certainly hope so...there was a particularly dark period in America's 50s when many people deemed "stupid" by State governments were effectively castrated because they appeared unworthy of bearing children.

Who can possibly say, with a straight face, that they can judge another human being to be unfit to bear children? That flies in the face of every modern perception of personal liberty in existence.

Lilleput · September 13th, 2005, 07:58 PM

Right now in English (A) we're learning how fat all the americans are (Big Fat) how many drugs you take (War on drugs) and how teen-pregnancies are a huge problem.. Really getting to know America images/smilies/cry.gif

jayjaya29 · September 13th, 2005, 11:42 PM

Yep you guys nailed it. Parents are the root of the problem. Bad upbrining = bad future. Luckily for me, my parents brought me up in a fashion to say no to drugs/alcohol. It has been proven that a child brought up in a household with parents that drink just once a week, that child will most likely become either an alcoholic or drink alcohol before it is legal. Same goes with drug use and smoking. My Dad smokes, but he does so outside, and away from me especially when I was younger. Parents who have these types of lifestyles are at fault for the child's future problems. Too bad we cannot control the situation though. As Dr.Woo said, kill/remove reproductive organs if they are the least bit able to bring up a child effectively. Damn I'm such a radical.

Dr. Woo · September 14th, 2005, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayjaya29

As Dr.Woo said, kill/remove reproductive organs if they are the least bit able to bring up a child effectively. Damn I'm such a radical.

Okay, you're confusing me...I say that to castrate someone because YOU or anyone else thinks they're unfit to rear children is CRIMINAL and absolutely 100% wrong. Do you agree or do you think that people SHOULD be castrated if someone (maybe a "professional") thinks they are unfit to be parents?

jayjaya29 · September 14th, 2005, 06:43 PM

I think they should undergo a physcological exam, and then, if deemed unfit to parent. They should be castrated. I'm not sure if I understand what you are asking me. Are you saying that I should decide, or a professional should decide? In that case, a professional, or better yet, a group of professionals should make the decision. Hopefully I answered your question and cleared up the confusion. Sorry. images/smilies/sad.gif

Z Draci · September 15th, 2005, 12:09 AM

My sarcastic joke seems to have been taken a little too seriously. I'll take it a bit further for fun . . .

There's solid scientific evidence as well as statistics that can be used to judge an individual as having the minimal requirements to be "good" parents--genetics, economic data, etc. Science and statistics are always used to gamble the lives of a population. Why should it be different here? Many potential parents already refuse to have children because they believe they are not suited for the task. However, those that refuse to have children are most often the educated and successful.

So obviously instead of castrating the lower class, the solution can be to educate them about the responsibilities of parenthood and hope that they comprehend. If you want 100% success, it'll be much easier to castrate them and let them have free intercourse in the streets. images/smilies/lol.gif

"I love my children so much that I will raise them in this cramped apartment with gunshots firing outside. Yes, I love them moreso because I can't cook them a decent meal or provide them with any kind of social education because I am always working at my minimum wage job. Oh, my love doesn't end there! I am going to release the stress I've built up working overtime 7 days a week on my children so they understand how miserable I am!"

The key is to not educate the children, but to educate the parents before they even have those children. Maybe with a bit of education, those parents may castrate themselves!

Dr. Woo · September 15th, 2005, 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayjaya29

I think they should undergo a physcological exam, and then, if deemed unfit to parent. They should be castrated. I'm not sure if I understand what you are asking me. Are you saying that I should decide, or a professional should decide? In that case, a professional, or better yet, a group of professionals should make the decision. Hopefully I answered your question and cleared up the confusion. Sorry. images/smilies/sad.gif

It's absolutely astonishing (Clarksonism?) to me that anyone can say that anyone else should be denied the right to have children. A "psychological exam?" Ah, yes, because every aspect of parenting can be answered by a psychological exam.

To force your beliefs on someone, no matter how much "scientific evidence" you have, is criminal. As a greater man than I once said, "If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."

Such a ghastly concept horrifies and disgusts me.

Z Draci · September 15th, 2005, 11:01 AM

Society decides to take some people's rights away all the time!

Some people cannot buy firearms. Some people cannot buy alcohol. Some people cannot leave their homes after certain hours. Some people cannot drive. Some people cannot live in a neighborhood they choose. Some people cannot run for President. Some people cannot have sex. And many people certainly shouldn't be having children.

I don't see how this is different than any other example. If social problems can be solved by depriving rights from an individual, we should take it away to lower the risk of danger to the rest of society.

How is castrating a person any different than using contraceptives? The reason for castrating certain people would be because they lack the responsibility to use them. It's the same as shutting a thief up in jail for stealing a car. If you can't be a responsible member of society, you have to lose some previledges!

No psychological exam is needed. We simply need to look at the potential parents' income level, genetic history for diseases, and the couple's stability in general.

So, let's put this wonderful little idea into practice shall we? images/smilies/lol.gif

jayjaya29 · September 16th, 2005, 12:32 AM

It wouldn't work if they put it into practice. Riots would occur almost right away. As much I think it should be done, its just not going to happen. It's a couple's right to have children, even if they are deemed unfit to raise a child. What are you going to do, can't do much unless the couple abuses the kid.

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astroboymoto Joined: Jan 11th, 2005 Last Online: December 18th, 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 360 Rep Power: 0	violence may not get you anywhere, but it feels good while you're doing it, and aren't they always on about "feel good" living like I am perfectly happy to damage SUVs that try and kill me by merging on top of me while I'm riding doesn't make it right but they look the next time

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jayjaya29 Joined: Mar 17th, 2005 Last Online: 03:24 AM Location: Lindenhurst, NY Age: 20 Posts: 4,802 Car: 2000 Nissan Altima Rep Power: 19	Yep you guys nailed it. Parents are the root of the problem. Bad upbrining = bad future. Luckily for me, my parents brought me up in a fashion to say no to drugs/alcohol. It has been proven that a child brought up in a household with parents that drink just once a week, that child will most likely become either an alcoholic or drink alcohol before it is legal. Same goes with drug use and smoking. My Dad smokes, but he does so outside, and away from me especially when I was younger. Parents who have these types of lifestyles are at fault for the child's future problems. Too bad we cannot control the situation though. As Dr.Woo said, kill/remove reproductive organs if they are the least bit able to bring up a child effectively. Damn I'm such a radical. __________________ Check out my Gallery. Check out my Car.

September 14th, 2005, 06:43 PM	#27
jayjaya29 Joined: Mar 17th, 2005 Last Online: 03:24 AM Location: Lindenhurst, NY Age: 20 Posts: 4,802 Car: 2000 Nissan Altima Rep Power: 19	I think they should undergo a physcological exam, and then, if deemed unfit to parent. They should be castrated. I'm not sure if I understand what you are asking me. Are you saying that I should decide, or a professional should decide? In that case, a professional, or better yet, a group of professionals should make the decision. Hopefully I answered your question and cleared up the confusion. Sorry. __________________ Check out my Gallery. Check out my Car.

September 15th, 2005, 12:09 AM	#28
Z Draci Joined: Mar 31st, 2005 Last Online: May 23rd, 2007 Location: Glendora/Riverside, CA Posts: 915 Rep Power: 0	My sarcastic joke seems to have been taken a little too seriously. I'll take it a bit further for fun . . . There's solid scientific evidence as well as statistics that can be used to judge an individual as having the minimal requirements to be "good" parents--genetics, economic data, etc. Science and statistics are always used to gamble the lives of a population. Why should it be different here? Many potential parents already refuse to have children because they believe they are not suited for the task. However, those that refuse to have children are most often the educated and successful. So obviously instead of castrating the lower class, the solution can be to educate them about the responsibilities of parenthood and hope that they comprehend. If you want 100% success, it'll be much easier to castrate them and let them have free intercourse in the streets. "I love my children so much that I will raise them in this cramped apartment with gunshots firing outside. Yes, I love them moreso because I can't cook them a decent meal or provide them with any kind of social education because I am always working at my minimum wage job. Oh, my love doesn't end there! I am going to release the stress I've built up working overtime 7 days a week on my children so they understand how miserable I am!" The key is to not educate the children, but to educate the parents before they even have those children. Maybe with a bit of education, those parents may castrate themselves! __________________ *"The car is the closest thing we will ever create to something that is alive." - Sir William Lyons*

September 15th, 2005, 11:01 AM	#30
Z Draci Joined: Mar 31st, 2005 Last Online: May 23rd, 2007 Location: Glendora/Riverside, CA Posts: 915 Rep Power: 0	Society decides to take some people's rights away all the time! Some people cannot buy firearms. Some people cannot buy alcohol. Some people cannot leave their homes after certain hours. Some people cannot drive. Some people cannot live in a neighborhood they choose. Some people cannot run for President. Some people cannot have sex. And many people certainly shouldn't be having children. I don't see how this is different than any other example. If social problems can be solved by depriving rights from an individual, we should take it away to lower the risk of danger to the rest of society. How is castrating a person any different than using contraceptives? The reason for castrating certain people would be because they lack the responsibility to use them. It's the same as shutting a thief up in jail for stealing a car. If you can't be a responsible member of society, you have to lose some previledges! No psychological exam is needed. We simply need to look at the potential parents' income level, genetic history for diseases, and the couple's stability in general. So, let's put this wonderful little idea into practice shall we? __________________ *"The car is the closest thing we will ever create to something that is alive." - Sir William Lyons*

September 16th, 2005, 12:32 AM	#31
jayjaya29 Joined: Mar 17th, 2005 Last Online: 03:24 AM Location: Lindenhurst, NY Age: 20 Posts: 4,802 Car: 2000 Nissan Altima Rep Power: 19	It wouldn't work if they put it into practice. Riots would occur almost right away. As much I think it should be done, its just not going to happen. It's a couple's right to have children, even if they are deemed unfit to raise a child. What are you going to do, can't do much unless the couple abuses the kid. __________________ Check out my Gallery. Check out my Car.

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