Bush is f*cking inbelievable, vote him out!

[tloekke]

Well, I think there's a high probability that Mr. Bush asked nicely if he could clean his glasses on that womans clothing. The man's wearing a suit and I know it's very difficult to clean glasses with them, I've tried myself...

[Firecat]

Originally Posted by justin syder

Now a debate can go somewhere, Mischief007, how would you solve Saddam then or even North Korea without military action/invading?

There wasn't anything to solve, the war was concocted by the neocon administration.

[justin syder]

Firecat

There wasn't anything to solve, the war was concocted by the neocon administration.

So Saddam wasnt developing WMDs after 1998 and the UN was monitoring him after Gulf War 1 all as a waste of time? He of course, kicked inspectors out for no reason and hid certain facilities and areas from UN inspectors just for fun.

I dont know why ppl wont accept that fact.

And the concept of Neocon admin is more in tune far-left conspiracy theories than anything factual.


Firecat, again, how would you handle Iran or North Korea right now. I'd like to hear your suggestion or Idea. It would also be nice to hear how you would have handled the situation in Iraq while Saddam was there. Im ready to listen.

[Firecat]

It won't work in your favor to bring up the past regarding Iraq. Let's not forget who propped Hussein up in the first place. He kicked inspectors out years ago after they were used as spies. Was Hussein developing WMD's after '98? I don't know, did they find anything?

There is nothing conspiratorial about neoconvervatism. Just like there are neolibs as well, these are exisiting ideologies prevalent in several countries.

How would I handle Iran? First let's ask why Iran is seeking to acquire nuclear power (assuming it is for the production of weapons). Maybe they feel threatened, the Untied States after all is surrounding them right now (Occupying Afghanistan and Iraq). What are they supposed to do?

North Korea was never a threat until the Bush administration took office and immediately cut off all relations with them.

I'm a believer of revoultion, I would much rather see opposition forces empowered to take down dictators and monarchies vs. launching a full-scale military assualt. Let the people fight for themselves.

Remember, North Korea is begging for talks. They have stated over and over, they want to negotiate. Iran is not a threat to anyone, unless provoked.

[Renesis]

Anyone thinks this section could be a lot different without justin having 50% of the posts in it?

[Ultra_Kool_Dude]

Justin, do you get paid to roam message boards defending Bush?

[gtrietsc]

Man talk about OLD. Cmon guys, hasn't he done anything more recent than the glasses wiping to go after?

[Renesis]

I'm sure he does something more stupid every day.

Just that he's still alive is enough or should I say, too much.

[mmap]

I dunno... first time I watched the video it looked fake. But even if real, well c'mon that is taken so much out of context, there could be a perfectly good explanation for what he did. Certainly not exactly a reason to set up a campaign against a democraticly elected president!

Originally Posted by justin syder

Now a debate can go somewhere, Mischief007, how would you solve Saddam then or even North Korea without military action/invading?

After reading the whole of that post I thougt that there might be light at the end of the tunnel and hope for Justin still, but the problem is that it seem as if Justins basic assumption (premise?) is that war (military action) is/was the only option. Where as common sense and international law say it should be the absolute last option, to be used only when EVERYTHING else has failed!! Did Bush try every other option, explore every venue, no!

He did not give the UN enough time to search Iraq for WMD's and went in without the approval of the UN. He would have done the same for Iran/N-Korea already (If he doesn't he has double standards) but he knows that it wount be as easy, those are countries which potentially have Nuclear capability and he is not THAT dumb...

[Firecat]

Funny how many republicans exclaim how the great evil soviets were defeated without firing a single shot (and give full credit to Reagan)...But now they seem to want to solve ever "crisis" through military invasion.

[static]

Originally Posted by Mischief007

NoAnd justin you know the whole world will see Bush only on his Foreign Policy and not on his domestic policy.

Huge and super expensive tax cuts for the rich people, thats great domestic policy?
Cutting down educational and healthcare and pouring enourmous amounts of money in warfare, thats great domestic policy?

Bush is a fucking retard and he with his government is the most serious threat to the world peace.
We had this great exchange student from New York and he was a great example that not all americans ignore politics. There are just too many uncivilized rednecks who don't give a damn about anything and vote for Bush. And that's why suckers like Bush get elected.

[Mischief007]

Originally Posted by static

Huge and super expensive tax cuts for the rich people, thats great domestic policy?
Cutting down educational and healthcare and pouring enourmous amounts of money in warfare, thats great domestic policy?

Bush is a fucking retard and he with his government is the most serious threat to the world peace.
We had this great exchange student from New York and he was a great example that not all americans ignore politics. There are just too many uncivilized rednecks who don't give a damn about anything and vote for Bush. And that's why suckers like Bush get elected.

I can't comment on that directly because I know nothing of his domestic policy. IF that is true, not saying it is, then Canada and the US have A LOT in common. I'll be starting something with the Canadian government to lower the taxes because, in my opinion, they are ridicously high.

[haz]

Originally Posted by justin syder

And Im sure it mentioned all the good that came out of it.

We aren't setting up colonies mind you.

And you see ppl, Mischief007 INTELLIGENTLY stated his opinion.

I think, personally, its rediculous to be anti-war but he believes that and I respect his position. He stated his view on Bush, all negative or opposing him without some mindless insult.

This is really the first of this Ive seen or atleast in a long time.

Now a debate can go somewhere, Mischief007, how would you solve Saddam then or even North Korea without military action/invading?

Exactly WHO are you quoting all the damn time? Half the time, I dunno who you're quoting dude ... SO annoying ...

haz

[Mischief007]

Originally Posted by justin syder

And Im sure it mentioned all the good that came out of it.

We aren't setting up colonies mind you.

And you see ppl, Mischief007 INTELLIGENTLY stated his opinion.

I think, personally, its rediculous to be anti-war but he believes that and I respect his position. He stated his view on Bush, all negative or opposing him without some mindless insult.

This is really the first of this Ive seen or atleast in a long time.

Now a debate can go somewhere, Mischief007, how would you solve Saddam then or even North Korea without military action/invading?

Good and bad came out although they concentrated on Bush throughtout the whole program. Eisenhower surprised me though. He seemed like a very good president, according to that program.

How would I solve those issues?

Probably more talks and not to try to use weapons as a means of talks. I'm open minded so I would have to see both sides of the problem. A lot of the higher powers don't like to listen, like in Canada, and still go on to do whatever they want BUT I don't know if that was the case with Bush. I don't have all the information . We all know how the media plays with information.

So with Saddam definitely more talks and to find out why he didn't let the UN inpectors in his country. There had to be a reason behind that. There's no way he just said "Get out". Something must of happened.

North Korea and Iran:

I know they have been talking to both of these countries and what would need to be done is to see how the problems can be resolved peacefully. No use of nuclear weapons please. Iran has been stating that they have nuclear power plants which they use to provide electricity for the people of Iran.

As for North Korea. Something must of happened that North Korea said that they are willing to use nuclear weapons against the US.

As you can tell, I strongly believe in talking. Words are stronger than actions. I really do hate wars. No good comes out of MOST of them.

[Mischief007]

Originally Posted by haz

Exactly WHO are you quoting all the damn time? Half the time, I dunno who you're quoting dude ... SO annoying ...

haz

Just let it go please. It all turns out for the worse with threads like this. I usually don't respond to a post such as this but I've seen the threads deteriorate with such comments. Please lets have a clean debate for once. No bickering please.

Not meaning to pick on you haz .

[Jostyrostelli]

^Well he is not the only one who is annoyed by it. Zenon has said it over and over again. And frankly, it's annoying, very annoying.

[haz]

Originally Posted by Mischief007

Just let it go please. It all turns out for the worse with threads like this. I usually don't respond to a post such as this but I've seen the threads deteriorate with such comments. Please lets have a clean debate for once. No bickering please.

Not meaning to pick on you haz .

not my intention to be "bickering", sorry if it came across like that! Let me re-phrase; Justin-please include the nick of the person you quote, OK???

haz

[Mischief007]

Good haz . Didn't mean to pick on you. Now if justin reads this, sees it as a request and so maybe he will start including nick's in quotes.

[zenon]

^ I doubt it will work. I have asked him so many times to do it. He is either not reading my posts or outright ignoring me. It may just seem like simple forum etiquette, but in a political discussion - I agree with Josty - it is incredibly annoying.

[Mischief007]

Originally Posted by zenon

^ I doubt it will work. I have asked him so many times to do it. He is either not reading my posts or outright ignoring me. It may just seem like simple forum etiquette, but in a political discussion - I agree with Josty - it is incredibly annoying.

^ Ok. Didn't know. Remember I'm still new.