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Old August 1st, 2008, 10:51 PM   #1
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In its final months, the Bush administration is wrapping up a parting gift for the religious right: an official definition of abortion so sweeping it would include the use of birth control pills and other forms of hormonal contraceptives, as well as intrauterine devices.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services quietly drafted a rule that would put into federal code this radical definition of abortion.

"The basis is ideology," said Rachel Chánes, the Tucson-based vice president of community services for Planned Parenthood Arizona. "We think this is coming from the Bush-appointed ideologues that are in there who are not apologetic about (the department's) stance on being anti-woman, anti-birth control and anti-abortion."

The proposal came to light because somebody leaked it to the public. It expands upon federal law that prohibits entities that receive federal dollars from discriminating against health care providers - institutions and individuals - who refuse to perform, pay for or make referrals for abortions based on moral objections.

The problem is the rule allows the individual or the institution to decide when a pregnancy begins and what constitutes an abortion, rather than relying on the widely accepted scientific definitions of both.
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The draft rule defines abortion as any procedure or drug that results in the termination of a fertilized egg, even prior to implantation.
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It's like Bubya just wants to give a final fuck you to the American people and a final 1up to his crazy Religious Right peeps.. images/smilies/cry.gif


... I feel for you America..
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I think we need to thank our ancestors for shipping the religious right to new world!! images/smilies/smile.gif
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Birth control pills do not kill a fertilized egg, it makes the egg stay unfertilized (unless we're talking about Plan B).

From the horribly-written article:

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Hormonal forms of birth control, including the pill, the patch, the ring and shots, work primarily by preventing ovulation and fertilization. But some people believe hormonal contraceptives also work to a lesser degree - though this hasn't been scientifically demonstrated - by preventing a fertilized egg from implanting in the womb.
And when the fuck did journalism become so ridiculous and petty?

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Of course, this slick attempt to create new abortion policy by bypassing Congress, the people and the courts underscores the importance of the upcoming presidential election to the preservation of women's reproductive rights.

If Barack Obama is elected, the extremist definition of abortion probably would be overturned.

If anti-abortion stalwart John McCain is elected, all I can say, ladies, is keep your legs crossed and locked at the knees because the assault on women's reproductive rights will be relentless for the next four years.
I love how this c*nt makes an issue out of thin air.
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That man is an intellectual giant! Go USA, you really have got a genius leader there. I am surprised that congress is not trying to change the law so he can stay on for another 4 years. Just think what America could be by then, should please the Catholic vote of course as well.

The whole country is religious right or Catholic, there is no dissent, then excellent. I like it very much when a small bunch of influential people run a country to the own prejudices, a bit like it was in England until the civil war, brilliant.

Go George - a vote winner for the Republicans that.

I wonder what McCain thinks?
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Well, unlike Bush, he does actually think, so that's a start...
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Yes I think so too - I was being a bit polemical there. ...

But I am sure he is pleased with a modern country with no birth control. ... After all the USA had 'no liquor' (i.e. Prohibition) for 13 years and no harm came from that did it?

/EDIT to answer my own question, yes it did as it accelerated the move to an organised crime environment that led on to Drug problems, Prostitution and Union infiltration.
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When was this taken before or after it became apparent that GB was a ignoramus?
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The CNN video is more accurate than the article. Did you guys even watch it? It looks like you're just going off what Lilleput copied and pasted.
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Well, you have to acknowledge that George W. Bush ruined the reputation of the USA to thoroughly, that people here would not hesitate to believe that he's re-installing the Spanish Inquisition...

So if exaggerations and incorrectnesses are discussed this way, then it is mainly a result of people trusting the Bush administration to basically do anything a sick mind can imagine...

I hope that whoever becomes next president is aware of that and does something to counteract this effect.
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Well, you have to acknowledge that George W. Bush ruined the reputation of the USA to thoroughly, that people here would not hesitate to believe that he's re-installing the Spanish Inquisition...

So if exaggerations and incorrectnesses are discussed this way, then it is mainly a result of people trusting the Bush administration to basically do anything a sick mind can imagine...

I hope that whoever becomes next president is aware of that and does something to counteract this effect.
I agree, but that doesn't excuse people from actually investigating the issue and deciding for themselves. I just hate it when people jump on the bandwagon of fail, that's all.
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Who the hell in the Bush administration came up with this crap?
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I'm pretty sure it was Blind that mentioned one time about people in Africa and other places that aren't allowed to use birth control, but at the same time, they're trying to end overpopulation and aids.


Birth control does a very important job and it usually works great so I'm all for it.

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I'm pretty sure it was Blind that mentioned one time about people in Africa and other places that aren't allowed to use birth control, but at the same time, they're trying to end overpopulation and aids.


Birth control does a very important job and it usually works great so I'm all for it.

I could have posted the same thing as viper images/smilies/lol.gif
Well since the Pope said it was cool to use contraceptives to prevent spread of disease the US government/education system will hopefully come around.
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Yeah? Well I want to label Bush as an abortion!

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