Can someone explain to me why anyone wants to vote for McCain/Palin?

[psdf]

As an outside observer to the whole American election thing, I am absolutely baffled why any sane low to middle class American would want to vote for McCain / Palin. I was already baffled when GWB got elected for his second term after fucking up the USA for the first term and now a high number of people want more of basically the same. Why?

When I look at McCain it's like looking at a slightly more intelligent and older version of Bush the Second. Except that McCain's VP nomination is absolutely batshit insane (compared to Dick) and serves purely the purpose of fishing votes from the religious right and angry Clinton supporters. We all know the record, inexperience and religious fanaticism of Palin. There is a serious risk of McCain kicking the bucket within the next 4 years considering all of his health problems. The republicans kept/keep mentioning that Obama is inexperienced and not suited for presidency... Palin is even more inexperienced and she's a heartbeat away from the presidency. I don't get it.

Can someone please explain to me simple and short why they would vote for McCain?

[Viper007Bond]

Honestly, I have a hard time figuring it out too. I think it has to do a lot with the crazy religious people who are anti-abortion, gay marriage, etc.

[NooDle]

*watches thread with interest*

I know I'm a crazy liberal European, but McCain seems to be the exact opposite of what the US needs right now. I've also seen the polls go from 46-44 (Mccain leading) to 40-50(Obama leading) in a couple of days. This will probably be because of the whole Palin thing.

I still fear McCain will win the elections though.

[jensked]

Originally Posted by NooDle

I still fear McCain will win the elections though.

I think we all fear that.

When I look at what the republicans now stand for, I could never see myself voting for them, but yes, i'm a European and I love my taxes being raised etc.

[RUU-CHAMA]

For some people capitalism has worked for so long that they don't want to 'change' to socialism. But in this case choosing between Obama and McCain is like choosing between the Concorde and the train, who will get you to socialism faster.

[psdf]

Originally Posted by RUU-CHAMA

For some people capitalism has worked for so long that they don't want to 'change' to socialism. But in this case choosing between Obama and McCain is like choosing between the Concorde and the train, who will get you to socialism faster.

As of yet I haven't heard that either candidate was against capitalism... Care to explain?

[Momentum57]

As a Rockefeller Republican I can tell you its because liberal policy is good in moderation. In a word it comes down to Honesty. Honesty on the issues in politics can be difficult but its far more muddy with Obama.

Neither candidate will bring troops home: McAss wants to pursue a strategic diplomatic deployment in Iraq for a prolonged Middle East presence. Oblow wants to "redeploy" basically shuffle the deck and stack them in Afghanistan for a prolonged Middle East presence. Few understand and fewer Democrats want to admit that not only has it been the policy from Carter on but one that is widely excepted as one that will continue.

Both say that they want to cut taxes McAss says he wants to cut small business tax Oblow says he wants to cut 95 percent of income tax. A really dumb argument because its all water from the same bucket.

What is different is what they want to tax money McAss wants to concentrate on infrastructure and energy. Oblow has a plethora of programs and ways to spend (1) his 10-year, $150 billion program to "establish a green energy sector," (2) his 10-year, $60 billion "National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank," (3) his nearly universal health care plan (whose annual price tag he low-balls at $50 to $65 billion) and (4) a host of refundable tax credits ranging from $4,000 per year for college students to free for low income families.

On the subject of energy plans Oblow is framing his talking points on "green" McAss wants an "all of the above plan". Which from a business lead time would be more applicable even if drilling and producing gas takes 10 years it would cause a oil spectator price drop as green infrastructure is developed.

Immigration plans are basically off the table: Oblow doesn't want to have what happened to Clinton happen to him when she was put on the spot to support a plan like Spitzer's. McAss wants to avoid it because he supported Bush on what Republicans and Democrats who were looking at election politics said was "amnesty". Both parties ought to inform people that Bush was correct on this one and Spitzer's plan would be a natural extension of that plan. But hey people are scared of the tacos thanks to CNN's Lou Dobbs and why would you want to know where the immigrants are staying and working.

Truth of the matter is most people could care less about policy they are too dumb to comprehend the ramifications. People go with image over substance and listen to the media hype and carry on in a certain way in public because no one wants to look like they are on the outside. Take the recession which never met technical qualifiers or the definition rather people were scared by the megaphone of the media. Regardless that polls show people felt that the national economy was bad they felt that they were fine.

Here is why people are Republicans they are the small business owners they struggled and scraped without government help. They are self disciplined individuals who don't see why people need incentives beyond their own potential. They are people who started at the bottom and worked their way to the top only to get kicked back down again and claw their way back up. They are optimist because they know it can always be worse and will always get better. Both parties have their extremes and the middle ground is where most people occupy. The Republican party allows for considerably more room because of its States Rights Platform. The Democrats consider that the federal government could provide for all contingencies that States should be bullied like they have with Drug policy, Drinking age with ridiculous policy.


The race is close for a reason! If your going to listen to Oblow there is only one America and liberals have to understand that they are not the only ones with the right ideas.

[Heyl]

Why write a serious post about politics if you call them childish names? You probably wrote several interesting points in there, but I stopped reading after the third McAss and Oblow.

[Momentum57]

their both schmucks

[Shawn]

Originally Posted by Heyl

Why write a serious post about politics if you call them childish names? You probably wrote several interesting points in there, but I stopped reading after the third McAss and Oblow.

You're real easy to agitate, eh?

If you didn't read his post then your loss, he makes some good points that I agree with. If I was an American citizen I would have to think twice before voting for either of these two very unworthy candidates.

And who would vote for McCain? The same people who voted GWB in a second time in 2004. The same zealots and fanatics.

[Momentum57]

Also there was Kerry who could make espresso decaffeinated by his power of presence. If he had a starring role on heroes his power would be sleep inducement. A portion were zealots and fanatics, alot more were average Americans who believe in second chances. That's why the Dems are trying to place the election as a referendum on Bush. They hope that people wont remember that Bush can't run or that McCain and Bush have a relationship like fire and ice. Its just more hype because the news channels wouldn't run serious talk or in depth reporting.

[klankymen]

Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

Honestly, I have a hard time figuring it out too. I think it has to do a lot with the crazy religious people who are anti-abortion, gay marriage, etc.

that's what I'm thinking. oh yeah and anti-sex-before-marriage, and anti-contraception. the same reasons why I'm pretty sure I'ma vote Osama....

[Heyl]

Originally Posted by Shawn

You're real easy to agitate, eh?

That's me

Seriously though, I just thought it was childish to write McAss and Oblow throughout the post which probably had good points, but it was brought down by writing that.

[Shawn]

Originally Posted by Momentum57

...there was Kerry who could make espresso decaffeinated by his power of presence.

Way off topic, but that made me think of Kerry in this debate:

+ YouTube Video

[psdf]

I was actually hoping that someone who is going to most likely vote for McCain would reply to this thread about his reasons.

[Momentum57]

my electoral votes go Dem but I am voting conservative in all my offices

let me add to that there is a congressional candidate for the Dems in my district that states he coined the phrase "surfing the net" when he was in Brown sometime between 1986-1989. Surfing what and with no way to back him up (something that is easy when a internet post can be researched to the first time used on the internet down to the exact time) and no Brown Grads liking him.

[smib]

I was considering McCain until he chose Palin. Anyone who would entertain the thought of having that mental patient as VP and potentially President is not fit to run a country. I was basically liking him just for the fact that he wants to build a bunch of nuclear reactors, but I suppose I can wait a while longer for that if it means not having to think about creationism being the primary teaching practice in public schools. The separation of church and state is one of my biggest issues, I practically grind my teeth in anger every time I go shopping on a Sunday and see all the alcohol covered up with tarps(and no, I don't drink).

Both candidates, as I understand it, are anti-gay marriage. Now this is not a deciding factor in and of itself, but the fact that their view stems from the fact that Jesus is apparently against it means they are no different than GWB and his "talking with God" about the war in the Middle East. It also shows that they don't believe that all people are created equal, because even if you don't like what someone does with another man's penis, they are still American citizens and are supposed to be GUARANTEED ALL of the rights and freedoms that the rest of us are allowed. If Obama wants to say that just because people are gay they shouldn't be allowed to get married, then maybe he shouldn't be allowed to do certain things because he's black(ish).

[Momentum57]

Originally Posted by smib

Both candidates, as I understand it, are anti-gay marriage. Now this is not a deciding factor in and of itself, but the fact that their view stems from the fact that Jesus is apparently against it means they are no different than GWB and his "talking with God" about the war in the Middle East. It also shows that they don't believe that all people are created equal, because even if you don't like what someone does with another man's penis, they are still American citizens and are supposed to be GUARANTEED ALL of the rights and freedoms that the rest of us are allowed. If Obama wants to say that just because people are gay they shouldn't be allowed to get married, then maybe he shouldn't be allowed to do certain things because he's black(ish).

The entire gay marriage thing is a red herring people rarely understand the ramifications of gay marriage would have on federal income tax proceeds. Because there is an incentive for couples with disparate incomes to file jointly we could see a large drop in dollars going to Washington. Neither party could have this happen under their watch just the same as neither could allow the war on drugs to end. Both parties need money flowing into Washington so that they can fund BS like the war on drugs which give millions to congressmen to send to their districts in order to look like they are doing something. As much as either party claims they don't care about a small minority. Thats why lobbiest are so important to our system they gather money and support for topics that regular people can not articulate.

PS your going to hate Obama even more when you here that he not only invokes God in his speeches but blocked the Secular Lobby from a prayer session hosted by the DNC. Claiming that it was not because they were Secular but because they are a Lobby although Christian groups that have official lobbiest were allowed in.

PPS the federal government have very little to do with education especially curriculum thats states. Other than giving options with school vouchers and general guide lines with the Kennedy and Bush "no child left behind" program they ought to stay out of a states workings.

[Twerp128]

I am voting for McCain.

It's all actions vs. words. Obama surely is a great speaker, but he has never in his life proven to be a great leader. I challenge you to give me one impressive leadership feat Barak has accomplished in his life. I want facts not quotes. Unlike Obama, McCain has a long history of leadership to back up what he says.

That's the most important thing for me, There's plenty more but I wont touch on that.