Canada said yes

[Renesis]

If you were so smart and mature (as you seem to think I'm not) you'd bring up facts and arguments instead of shit like that to defend your opinion.

[///M]

Hell, I totally forgot.

You want to play the 'god' game? Ancient Egypt had homosexual, bisexual, and asexual gods.

Those FAR pre-date the Judeo-Christian definition of marriage.

Game over.

[cvrefugee]

Originally Posted by ///M

Hell, I totally forgot.

You want to play the 'god' game? Ancient Egypt had homosexual, bisexual, and asexual gods.

Those FAR pre-date the Judeo-Christian definition of marriage.

Game over.

Adam & Eve.

Game over.

[cvrefugee]

Originally Posted by Renesis

If you were so smart and mature (as you seem to think I'm not) you'd bring up facts and arguments instead of shit like that to defend your opinion.

Just to let you know, there are three (now four) pages of posts in here. I have posted on nearly every one of them with my opinion. You come in on page 3 and ridicule me for being religious.

So who's really bringing up facts and arguments? You're just flaming me.

[///M]

Seth and Horus far pre-date Adam and Eve.

Both are fairytales, which one came first?

Yup, the gay god was recorded far before Adam and Eve.

[cvrefugee]

If you don't believe in either one of these "fairytales", what's your point? In MY religion Adam and Eve were the first married couple. That is what I believe.

[Renesis]

Originally Posted by cvg

Just to let you know, there are three (now four) pages of posts in here. I have posted on nearly every one of them with my opinion. You come in on page 3 and ridicule me for being religious.

So who's really bringing up facts and arguments? You're just flaming me.

If I was flaming you I'd say that you're a complete dumbass tight assed religious motherfucker and I'd delete your posts.

That sounds like a plan, but since I'm not like you think I am, this isn't what I'm doing, and besides, if you were so smart you'd know that people can read even if they don't post, remember who started this thread? me.


Dumbass.

[cvrefugee]

Originally Posted by Renesis

If I was flaming you I'd say that you're a complete dumbass tight assed religious motherfucker and I'd delete your posts.

That sounds like a plan, but since I'm not like you think I am, this isn't what I'm doing, and besides, if you were so smart you'd know that people can read even if they don't post, remember who started this thread? me.


Dumbass.

Now tell me how you really feel.

[///M]

Originally Posted by cvg

If you don't believe in either one of these "fairytales", what's your point? In MY religion Adam and Eve were the first married couple. That is what I believe.

Great.

So how exactly does a gay couple that doesn't believe in YOUR religion and YOUR definition of marriage effect you?

[Renesis]

Originally Posted by cvg

Now tell me how you really feel.

My feelings have nothing to do with this thread, apart from those related to the topic, which are that I'm happy that this law passed over conservatives.

Originally Posted by cvg

If you don't believe in either one of these "fairytales", what's your point? In MY religion Adam and Eve were the first married couple. That is what I believe.

Translation: I don't want to hear anything that isn't what I learn in church, I might find the truth or disturbing things that would overload my narrow mind!

[cvrefugee]

Originally Posted by ///M

Great.

So how exactly does a gay couple that doesn't believe in YOUR religion and YOUR definition of marriage effect you?

Because I believe MY definition of marriage is sacred, no matter who believes in my religion.

Marriage is losing it's true definition and value. I agree that divorce is contributing to that, but to use the argument of increasing divorce rates to justify the inclusion of gay marriage doesn't work. It's like saying, "the hell with marriage it's going down the tubes!". "Let's change God's law and let homosexuals join in, even though it was once a holy ceremony binding a man and woman together".

[justin syder]

///M-

Legalisation removes the criminals from the picture.

Legislation seemed to remove any sense of morality too.

Look the fact that you even agree to want to legalize drugs shows how out of touch a Liberal mind can be.

Drugs arent soley a health issue, ppl high on drugs or under the influence are far from harmless.

And as for gay practices, why is it that it took a few centuries for it to be prevelant in society again? Ppl back then were barbaric and nowadays ppl are moving closer and closer to that and anarchy.

Or is it simply a case of you trying to force YOUR beliefs on society?

Actually its the other way around, God is being removed from what used to be a country of morals and traditions in order to make the way for the acceptance of certain behavior.

My grandmother died a few weeks ago and what used to happen at a funeral percession was something like this;

You saw a Hearse going by and you would bow your head and remove your hat for the dead, out of respect.

This was not what happened as the funeral percession proceded with my grandmothers body. Cars were getting aggressive, cutting us off, separating us from each other, honking their horns and being annoyed that my dear grandmother was getting in their way.

No respect at all because todays focus is on the individual, "who cares about tradition or respect, If I need to get somewhere you need to move the fuck out of the way". And that is what happened.

Gay marriage would have been thought of as insane or rediculous 30yrs ago but now it is being forced our throat and being accepted by moral-less people with loose views on life. I dont force you guys to accept my religious veiws but why do I have to see the recent emmergence of gay culture, gay this, gay that, gay tv shows. Im sure soon straight ppl will be seen as close minded, so start having gay sex now guys.

Think of things that were not tolerated because of a moral stance or viewpoint,

Gay marriage -let them marry although marriage was NOT created for same sex couples, abortion -rather than to accept the responsibilities of your actions or use contraceptives just kill the fetus -who cares!, blasphemy -even non religious ppl wouldnt have done it in the past but you do spew it as if YOU KNOW there isnt a God. You might not believe in it but that lack of respect and lack of a sense of morality just shows how "progressive" Liberals are.

Read this and tell me we should be a secular country or that it has always been secular or that our forefathers envisioned separation of Church and State.

"Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the Providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor, and whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint committee requested me to commend to the people of United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness, now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November next, to be devoted to the service of that great and glorious Being, Who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or will be." - President George Washington (October 3, 1789)

Some day, as rediculous as it sounds, beastiality, pedophilia and any other sexual act now seen as extreme or "sick" will be just fine and acceptable in the future. No? Yeah thats what ppl 30 or 50 yrs ago would have said about gay marriage. I just hope Im not around to see that become accepted into society by so called "progressives".

[cvrefugee]

Originally Posted by Renesis

Translation: I don't want to hear anything that isn't what I learn in church, I might find the truth or disturbing things that would overload my narrow mind!

Understanding is different from accepting. I understand other religions and cultures, or at least I try to. Even after learning about other so-called "truths" or "disturbing things" doesn't mean I should accept them.

Would it make sense for me to call you narrow-minded if you didn't learn and accept the things my religion teaches me? No, it wouldn't.

[cvrefugee]

Originally Posted by justin syder

Some day, as rediculous as it sounds, beastiality, pedophilia and any other sexual act now seen as extreme or "sick" will be just fine and acceptable in the future. No? Yeah thats what ppl 30 or 50 yrs ago would have said about gay marriage. I just hope Im not around to see that become accepted into society by so called "progressives".

C'mon Justin, don't you know that the hottest TV show in 20 years will be about a gay man who shits on little kids while he performs oral sex on horses?

Get with the times man!

[///M]

The so called barbaric Greeks and Egyptians were more advanced than Christian Europe. What makes your religion more important than theirs?

That's exactly what's wrong about religion. You look at other people and call them barbaric and what not because they don't follow YOUR way of life. But you need to understand your way of life is not the only way out there.

Hey, I'm not at all surprised by this. People in the south used the Bible to justify owning coloured slaves. Religion and opression go hand in hand. It's pointless going into this topic further because all you bring up is your religion. I don't believe in your religion, other people don't believe in your religion, let us live. Again and again I have to say this, homosexuality harms no one, pedophelia does. Don't compare the two.

My view on drugs have nothing to do with Liberal or conservative bullshit. Sending people to jail doesn't work, sending people to doctors for treatment does. Simple as that. You can't sell cough medicine over the counter and make cocaine illegal. People form habits, and people that are going to ruin their lives aren't going to be stopped. People that ARE willing to change their lives are locked up, instead of being given a chance to seek treatment. Trust me, I know this all too well. Go talk to any psychiatrist in a drug rehab centre and ask them if they want drugs legalised or not. That's off-topic, let's keep it at that.

[cvrefugee]

Originally Posted by ///M

The so called barbaric Greeks and Egyptians were more advanced than Christian Europe. What makes your religion more important than theirs?

That's exactly what's wrong about religion. You look at other people and call them barbaric and what not because they don't follow YOUR way of life. But you need to understand your way of life is not the only way out there.

Where did I call anyone barbaric? Please don't put words in my mouth. I understand that people don't follow my way of life, but when they try to change something that I BELIEVE is sacred then I'm against it. What's wrong with standing up for something you believe in?

Originally Posted by ///M

Hey, I'm not at all surprised by this. People in the south used the Bible to justify owning coloured slaves. Religion and opression go hand in hand. It's pointless going into this topic further because all you bring up is your religion. I don't believe in your religion, other people don't believe in your religion, let us live. Again and again I have to say this, homosexuality harms no one, pedophelia does. Don't compare the two.

People use religion to justify many things, but it doesn't make it right, nor does it mean ALL religions are evil or opress. Some folks interpret scripture differently from others, and they shouldn't. The word of God is not open to interpretation.

How is it pointless to continue this discussion if all I bring up is my religion? The majority of people who are against gay marriage ARE religious and feel the same way I do.

[///M]

Read Justin's reply, my post was supposed to be addressing it, sorry.

I never said religion causes oppression, I just said religion and oppression go hand in hand.

[cvrefugee]

Originally Posted by ///M

Read Justin's reply, my post was supposed to be addressing it, sorry.

I never said religion causes oppression, I just said religion and oppression go hand in hand.

Oppression of it's own members or of others?

[///M]

It's used by the powerful to justify oppression of people outside the faith.

I don't think religion limiting it's own followers can be called oppression, it's simply a choice people make. I respect that choice, just like I respect the choice to be gay.

[Firecat]

Out of curiosity. What about multiple wives/husbands (polygamy) or even incestuous marriages?

I think the government has no place meddling in personal relationships. In America, there really is no legal basis to not allow gay marriage. That's is why some are pushing for a consitutional amendment.

That's just my 2 cents 8)