Canada said yes

[Jostyrostelli]

Originally Posted by Justin

Gay marriage would have been thought of as insane or rediculous 30yrs ago but now it is being forced our throat and being accepted by moral-less people with loose views on life. I dont force you guys to accept my religious veiws but why do I have to see the recent emmergence of gay culture, gay this, gay that, gay tv shows. Im sure soon straight ppl will be seen as close minded, so start having gay sex now guys.

I'm sorry to hear about your grandfather.

I'd like you to say this to someone who is gay, straight in the face.
With that talk you are discriminating people, denying other people like you and me rights to do things. Is that the way God works? Then I am very happy I have nothing to do with him.

And I don't like to be insulted like that btw.

[zenkidori]

Even tho you see more homosexuality in the media, it's FAR from "prevalent" and not actually growing. there are about the same % of gays as there were years ago, the only difference is that they don't need to live in fear of what people will think all the time. Even tho I am not gay, and think it's kinda icky(two guys kissing? gross) I do realize that I don't have any right to interefere with someone else's life, liberty or pursuit of happiness, whether that be with a same sex partner or not. IT IS NOT MY FUCKING BUSINESS OR THE BUSINESS OF THE GOVERNMENT. The USA has NO legal right to ban people from getting married to a partner of the same sex. There are laws that prohibit incest and polygamy, for those who are wondering. so precedent has been set.

Being gay has FUCKALL to do with "morals".

[Firecat]

I agree with you, the government shouldn't be involved.

I'm curious though why are there laws against incest and polygamy? Even though I find incest gross, what business is it of the government? And Polygamy, that should be allowed (not only on religious grounds...again, not any business of the government)

[tloekke]

Incest = retarded and sick kids. Look at what happened when the european royal families married amongst themselves. Half of them were bleeders and the rest insane.

[Firecat]

Maybe they won't want kids. Without getting into the science of it, congenial birth defects as a result of inbreeding is not guaranteed. There are certain factors.

I'm not trying to come off as being pro-incest, I'm just trying to make a point that it is widely considered a "taboo" kind of like homosexuality. I just don't think the government should get involved either way

[mmap]

Just out of curiosity I'm interested in knowing what people think about those couples that do not get married in church?

They are normal heterosexual xouples but see nothing religious about getting married. They love eachother and want to legalise their relationship. By being legally married they gain a lot of "benefits" from society... Does that offend the religious people aroud here?

If not then how is that different from homosexual marriages? Gay people do not need to get married in a church and they might not be religious at all. They merely want to legalize their relationship and proclaim their love for one and other. In th eprocess they also would enjoy the same benefits our hetero couple enjoys. I do not see anything wrong with that.

Why aren't you religious people shouting and screaming against the mormons for having multiple wives, isn't that against your ideas of marriage as well?

Funny thing about the american constitution (seems that most of you are americans) quarantees equal rights to all? Why should that be restricted by religious views or sexual preferences? Just because the majority does not like what the minority is doing is no reason for banning it...

[Firecat]

At one point there were laws that made interracial marriage illegal. That would really suck now cuz I got a thing for them latinas.....

[Ultra_Kool_Dude]

Originally Posted by Firecat

At one point there were laws that made interracial marriage illegal. That would really suck now cuz I got a thing for them latinas.....

It was illegal two years ago in Alabama.

[justin syder]

BRING ME PROOF!!!

I say that to all of you who ASSUME marriage was created for gays and lesbians. After seeing what ever proof you base your assumptions on then I will admit to denying the rights you all claim they should have.

Should I be alowed to have reparrations if I had sex with an African American? I dont see how your sexual life has to be the discussion of others or used for personal gain. Should we get a discount at the movies if we had sex with the date we bring?

I just don't think the government should get involved either way

Firecat comon, I could one up you, I want to rape a woman. The police would arrest me then send me to jail, why? Govt has no right to interfere in my life, or what about legalizing all drugs.

Knowing that some can alter your mood and make it easier to harm yourself or others, lets just legalize them all, why should govt interefere in my life?

A kid toucher, why are we persecuted them? They dont have a disease or mental illess, its just another form of sex. Also, beastiality, lets set up animal sex shops where you can go in and have sex with any animal youd like,why should govt dictate us?

The point is that there is no limit in Liberalism or being "progressive", whose to say kid touchers or bealiaty or illegal drugs wont be accepted in society in 20-30 yrs?

Whos to say that kid touchers will advocate the adoption of children and by some point in the future there will be no stopping that. Just as there was no stopping gay marriage there will be no stopping anything else in the future as it will be in the name of "liberation" and progression.

Liberals have a loose sense of morality and will push its limits because they have no firm moral base. The more things get towards anarchy the more Liberal ppl will become to ideas that used to be rediculous.

If it was up to me I would put kid touchers in for life. And Im comparing it to gay marriage not because they are the same but at certain time gay marriage was a extreme concept and thought to be rediculous, so would letting kid touchers adfopt childern today.

[justin syder]

Firecat-

Out of curiosity. What about multiple wives/husbands (polygamy) or even incestuous marriages?

Well thats the next "progressive" step now. If gays can marry surely anyone else can.

I'm sorry to hear about your grandfather.

I'd like you to say this to someone who is gay, straight in the face.
With that talk you are discriminating people, denying other people like you and me rights to do things. Is that the way God works? Then I am very happy I have nothing to do with him.

Josty it was my grandMOTHER. No worries.

I have a gay friend and he knows my position on this, we disagree but we are still friends.

God doesnt discriminate because God created marriage for 1 Man and 1 Woman. I dont see how you could discriminate in the first place if gays and lesbians were never married or included in the institute of marriage which is in shambles now.



That is what I believe in, just as my parents and other families I know have had long marriages and still respect the institution. Sure you will fight with ur spouse but you work it out and communicate. You also beforehand make sure that you can live with that person the rest of your life, I see divorce as only needed in extreme cases but it is seen today as just breaking up. That and along with gay marriage is why no one gives a shit about marriage in Sweden. I mean if gays can marry, and polygamists will soon be able to, what sense or practicality does marriage have? You can have a kid without being married, you could also cheat on your wife/husband because most ppl dont have any respect for the vows they took. We will be having babies with multiple parents and no stable families to raise them...wait that is almost happening now.

[tloekke]

I don't think that the comparison between gay marriage and kiddie-fiddlers is appropriate. Gay marriage is between two consentual adults. The other is a strong person taking advantage over a weaker one.

[Jostyrostelli]

Originally Posted by Justin

God doesnt discriminate because God created marriage for 1 Man and 1 Woman.

What I don't get, how do you know God created marriage?

And if God loves everybody why can't he love gay people? And if he made it for man and woman, why can't he accept that there are men loving eachother and women loving eachother? Does he think it's inapropriate? Or is that something only the Christian people believe?

Not trying to be smart, I'm serious, I really don't get it. First think I heard when I visited the church is "God loves everybody, you too". What if I was gay?

[justin syder]

Originally Posted by tloekke

I don't think that the comparison between gay marriage and kiddie-fiddlers is appropriate. Gay marriage is between two consentual adults. The other is a strong person taking advantage over a weaker one.

I making the comparison to illustrate that at one time gay marriage, about 30-50 yrs ago would have been rediculous concept.

We think allowing a kid toucher to adopt children is crazy or to allow kid touchers to have their way with kids is wrong now but can you really say some ppl wont see it as an "alternative lifestyle" and allow them to have sex with kids?

Can you really say that we wont become that Liberal in a few decades time because I doubt it. Ppl would have thought that the world would have gone crazy if there was a such thing as gay marriage but it happened.

Also, I'm waiting for proof marriage was created for gays and lesbians. Two straight ppl can have a kid but not two gay or lesbian ppl. That is why marriage was for 1 man and 1 woman, to start a family and have structure needed for the children.

[tloekke]

Originally Posted by Justin

We think allowing a kid toucher to adopt children is crazy or to allow kid touchers to have their way with kids is wrong now but can you really say some ppl wont see it as an "alternative lifestyle" and allow them to have sex with kids?

In civilized parts of the world (wherever that may be) it won't happen. I can say that for certain, and I think that "you can't let gays marry because then pedophiles will marry children" is a lousy argument.

[justin syder]

In civilized parts of the world (wherever that may be) it won't happen. I can say that for certain, and I think that "you can't let gays marry because then pedophiles will marry children" is a lousy argument.

A lousy argument would have been for gay marriage 30yrs ago. Ppl would easily dismiss that as you are dismissing pedophilia now.

If you think about it, you could really make a case for pedophilia as an altermative lifestyle.

They could adopt parent-less children give them homes and feel safe that they wont be jailed for their sexual desire. Children grow up with a father atleast and a home and kid touchers arent bothered with.

[tloekke]

^It's not the same. Because children and adults are not the same. I'm not gonna argue about this any more. It's a lousy argument, and if a politician used that argument against gay marriage, I would lose all respect for him and never take him seriously again.

[justin syder]

^It's not the same. Because children and adults are not the same. I'm not gonna argue about this any more. It's a lousy argument, and if a politician used that argument against gay marriage, I would lose all respect for him and never take him seriously again.

You obviously dont want to go down this road because Im sure I can convince you.

I can tell you society will in a few years, we will be Liberal enough.

[Firecat]

Originally Posted by justin syder

Firecat comon, I could one up you, I want to rape a woman. The police would arrest me then send me to jail, why? Govt has no right to interfere in my life, or what about legalizing all drugs.

Knowing that some can alter your mood and make it easier to harm yourself or others, lets just legalize them all, why should govt interefere in my life?

A kid toucher, why are we persecuted them? They dont have a disease or mental illess, its just another form of sex. Also, beastiality, lets set up animal sex shops where you can go in and have sex with any animal youd like,why should govt dictate us?

The point is that there is no limit in Liberalism or being "progressive", whose to say kid touchers or bealiaty or illegal drugs wont be accepted in society in 20-30 yrs?

Whos to say that kid touchers will advocate the adoption of children and by some point in the future there will be no stopping that. Just as there was no stopping gay marriage there will be no stopping anything else in the future as it will be in the name of "liberation" and progression.

Liberals have a loose sense of morality and will push its limits because they have no firm moral base. The more things get towards anarchy the more Liberal ppl will become to ideas that used to be rediculous.

If it was up to me I would put kid touchers in for life. And Im comparing it to gay marriage not because they are the same but at certain time gay marriage was a extreme concept and thought to be rediculous, so would letting kid touchers adfopt childern today.

I really shouldn't even have to refute this but....

2 guys or 2 girls getting married does not infringe upon any ones rights. When you rape somebody, you are violating their rights. When you molest somebody, you are violating their rights. The drug argument, c'mon, with that logic the government should make alcohol illegal. Will you support that? If a person wants to harm themselves, that's their right. The moment they put themselves in a position to harm others by their actions, like getting behind a wheel intoxicated, the government should get involved. If the animals consents to any sexual act, so be it...it's not going to happen so I'm not worried about it.

This slippery-slope argument has no merit.

Let me pose a question to you. Why stop at limiting marriage to gays? Why not push for giving them the death penalty, imprisonment, or some other form of punishment?

[Mischief007]

Not to offend anybody, even you Justin, but "God" has been done for more bad things then good.

This passed legislation will make two people happier because they can finally say that they are together forever. Even though I don't believe in marriage at all. Marriage alone these days in only because of peer pressure when the guy knocks up the girl. Seen that one too many times and that's why the divorce rates are so high these days. Kids get married.

[///M]

Get this through your head.

Rape = a victim.
Child Molestation = a victim.
Homosexuality = no victims, except your shattered ego.

Like I said, homosexual partnerships existed long before records of your god existed. What makes you right? YOU believe in it, stop forcing your bullshit on other people.

Don't give me this moral crap, because you can debate it when we're discussing drugs, molestation, and rape, but it doesn't apply when it's two independant people.

Buddy, gay marriage was looked down upon because of people like you. People like you also led us to believe the Earth was flat and that we were at the centre of the Earth.