Do you think Michael Jackson is innocent?

Jostyrostelli · January 31st, 2005, 08:54 PM

I guess you all heard the story...It's on the CNN headpage now.

http://www.cnn.com/

I personally think he's innocent...he's a little strange with kids but I don't think he did it this time, it's the kid who showed up at the vid.
He's a sitting duck, easy target with lots of money and a bad reputation..

ESPNSTI · January 31st, 2005, 09:07 PM

Innocent or not, he's certainly not the brightest tool in the shed.

Jostyrostelli · January 31st, 2005, 09:09 PM

That doesn't really matter if he's intelligent. I don't know all the stuff about him and he might have done some bad shit with kids but I have a feeling this kid/his parents are out for his money..

ESPNSTI · January 31st, 2005, 09:16 PM

^ Could be, I really can't tell, and I'm in no position to know.
IMHO after the previous incident, he should have:
a) Stopped hanging out with kids.
b) Made sure an adult (other than him) was with the kids at all times.
c) Videotape everything.
d) Have a lawyer with him at all time to tell him something he does might be "misinterpreted".

Now I think it's reasonably safe to say he didn't do "a" or "b", and it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't do "c" or "d" either.

Ultra_Kool_Dude · January 31st, 2005, 09:17 PM

I think he is innocent. He obviously had a really tramatic childhood, so he is really messed up and living his childhood now.

I think he is completely naive to how the world works (trusts too much).

ESPNSTI · January 31st, 2005, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultra_Kool_Dude

I think he is innocent. He obviously had a really traumatic childhood, so he is really messed up and living his childhood now.

Ya my guess he got stuck at that developmental stage, which is something that can happen to children that experience traumatic events.
I suppose personally, I'm stuck at the teenage developmental stage:
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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultra_Kool_Dude

I think he is completely naive to how the world work (trusts too much).

Certainly something that is consistent with "child-like" properties.

Viper007Bond · January 31st, 2005, 09:53 PM

I think he's guilty, but I have an open mind. I think he's still living his childhood and sees nothing wrong with sleeping in the same bed as kids and then has his grown-up urges.

zenon · January 31st, 2005, 11:33 PM

I personally think he is guilty, but that comes mostly from speculation. I think the fact that he went through an identical ordeal and then went straight back to the behaviour that caused the problem in the first place is pretty indicative of pedophilia.

If he were innocent his mental and social problems would have to be extremely severe. I wouldn't be too surprised if that was the case, but again, repeating this behaviour really makes me think he is guilty.

kanderson · January 31st, 2005, 11:45 PM

If the parents watched all of the news the first time around, then let their kid go play with Jackson, then either the parents are idiots, sickos, or they are out to get Jackson's money. Who would let their kid go spend time alone with that guy (or whatever)?? I wouldn't.

bone · February 1st, 2005, 06:55 AM

you need a poll

but i say

HELL NO!!!!

as guilty as can be

(and they found kids fingerprints in his pornomags, what more proof do you want?)

haz · February 1st, 2005, 07:02 AM

"Innocent until proven guilty", anyone????!

We weren't there, so it's silly to say "yea, of course he did it".

Sure he prolly the weirdest dude in our time, but that doesn't autmatically mean he's a child molestor ...

I think it's more of a sign of how our world is coming to :
- that a man can be accused of such things,
- that it is a possibility that someone could do such things

either way ... it's pritty sick ...

and bone: WHAT??? I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE THERE TO KNOW IF HE DID IT OR NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

And I sure hope you never end up in a jury ...........

haz

Jostyrostelli · February 1st, 2005, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kanderson

If the parents watched all of the news the first time around, then let their kid go play with Jackson, then either the parents are idiots, sickos, or they are out to get Jackson's money. Who would let their kid go spend time alone with that guy (or whatever)?? I wouldn't.

My thoughts images/smilies/smile.gif

jasonchiu · February 1st, 2005, 11:12 AM

some probably did get molested by jackson, some probably just got touched and want his money

Ultra_Kool_Dude · February 1st, 2005, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ESPNSTI

I suppose personally, I'm stuck at the teenage developmental stage:
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I'll be popping wheelies when I'm 60 for the grandkids.

Daniel · February 1st, 2005, 02:16 PM

I think Jackson is Innocent but stupid. And people use him. Simple as that.

800hpfury · February 1st, 2005, 02:58 PM

I think he should just back off hanging out with little kids.. and what is up with the parents of these little kids.. I would never let my kids hang out with some guy who has a real "kid" oriented home without being there too...

You can't be too careful, and I don't get why these parents arent. Heck, if they want to sleep at "Uncle Michael's" or whatever they want to call him, that is FINE, just give them their own damn room in his palace, not in your room and / or not down some damn hallway that has alarm triggers and ish like that.

The parents of these kids either see Michael as an easy target for $$$, but they are still possibly exposing their kids to someone who might warp them for life! images/smilies/wacko.gif

Buba · February 1st, 2005, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

I think he's guilty, but I have an open mind. I think he's still living his childhood and sees nothing wrong with sleeping in the same bed as kids and then has his grown-up urges.

Pretty much what I think...

Buba

Daniel · February 1st, 2005, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buba

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viper007Bond

I think he's guilty, but I have an open mind. I think he's still living his childhood and sees nothing wrong with sleeping in the same bed as kids and then has his grown-up urges.

Pretty much what I think...

Buba

Well, sleeping in the same bed as children is not a felony. Its different if you have sex with them, wich is what they accuse him for.

I know he has slept in the same bed as children, he has admitted so aswell, but doing that is one thing, doping them down and abusing them is another.

SiR_dude · February 2nd, 2005, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jostyrostelli

Quote:

Originally Posted by kanderson

If the parents watched all of the news the first time around, then let their kid go play with Jackson, then either the parents are idiots, sickos, or they are out to get Jackson's money. Who would let their kid go spend time alone with that guy (or whatever)?? I wouldn't.

My thoughts images/smilies/smile.gif

Word to that images/smilies/wacko.gif

jasonchiu · February 2nd, 2005, 07:10 AM

i argee that its pretty fucking stupid for parents to still send them to jacksons house after all the previous things that happneded there

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Jostyrostelli Joined: May 29th, 2004 Last Online: November 19th, 2008 Posts: 8,063 Rep Power: 27	That doesn't really matter if he's intelligent. I don't know all the stuff about him and he might have done some bad shit with kids but I have a feeling this kid/his parents are out for his money.. __________________ Your talents are not an achievement. What you do with them is. Owner of a 1970 Beetle 1300. (click for movies) Water is only to do the dishes.

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Ultra_Kool_Dude AWESOME!!!111ONE Joined: Oct 4th, 2004 Last Online: November 24th, 2008 Location: Clarkson's House Posts: 3,684 Car: POWERR!!! Rep Power: 0	I think he is innocent. He obviously had a really tramatic childhood, so he is really messed up and living his childhood now. I think he is completely naive to how the world works (trusts too much). __________________ What's the difference between charity and socialism? What's the difference between sex and rape?

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Viper007Bond Lazy Head Dude Joined: Sep 21st, 2003 Last Online: 03:37 PM Location: Portland, Oregon Age: 24 Posts: 20,993 Car: Dodge Viper (I wish!) Rep Power: 234	I think he's guilty, but I have an open mind. I think he's still living his childhood and sees nothing wrong with sleeping in the same bed as kids and then has his grown-up urges. __________________ Fight back against the evil Quiky by +1'ing this post! There is no replacement for displacement. - Wolfgang Bernhard, Chief Operating Officer, Chrysler Group talking about the Dodge Viper SRT-10 ... I ask Herb Helbig, vehicle synthesis manager for SRT and a member of the original Team Viper development group since day one, if they'd ever thought of adding traction control. "It comes with two," he says, pointing at my feet. "Learn to use them." Got it. - Motor Trend on the 2006 Dodge Viper Coupe, November 2005

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zenon VIP Joined: Mar 8th, 2004 Last Online: April 3rd, 2007 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 2,546 Rep Power: 22	I personally think he is guilty, but that comes mostly from speculation. I think the fact that he went through an identical ordeal and then went straight back to the behaviour that caused the problem in the first place is pretty indicative of pedophilia. If he were innocent his mental and social problems would have to be extremely severe. I wouldn't be too surprised if that was the case, but again, repeating this behaviour really makes me think he is guilty. __________________ *Disclaimer: 'Official "What's that Song?" Guy' unless said song is European house music or sung in German.

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kanderson Joined: Sep 26th, 2004 Last Online: December 1st, 2008 Location: Springville, Utah, USA Age: 40 Posts: 364 Car: AC Cobra 427 1965 restored Rep Power: 0	If the parents watched all of the news the first time around, then let their kid go play with Jackson, then either the parents are idiots, sickos, or they are out to get Jackson's money. Who would let their kid go spend time alone with that guy (or whatever)?? I wouldn't.

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bone "bangle for president" Joined: Jan 14th, 2004 Last Online: November 27th, 2008 Location: belgium!! Age: 24 Posts: 6,069 Car: yamaha banshee (and an opel astra from work) Rep Power: 28	you need a poll but i say HELL NO!!!! as guilty as can be (and they found kids fingerprints in his pornomags, what more proof do you want?) __________________ groups/artists i've seen live: coldplay, the cure, cypress hill, damian marley, deftones, depeche mode, dEUS, franz ferdinand, grandaddy, guns n' roses, interpol, jamiroquai, korn, lenny kravits, marilyn manson, massive attack, metallica, moby, muse, the pixies, placebo, prodigy, queens of the stone age, the raconteurs, radiohead, red hot chili peppers, REM, skin, tool, the who, Wu-Tang and so many more...

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haz I AM OT! Joined: May 28th, 2004 Last Online: 07:04 AM Location: Oslo, Norway Age: 28 Posts: 3,526 Car: '70 VW, '86 Golf II (sold), '99 Golf IV High Line Rep Power: 23	"Innocent until proven guilty", anyone????! We weren't there, so it's silly to say "yea, of course he did it". Sure he prolly the weirdest dude in our time, but that doesn't autmatically mean he's a child molestor ... I think it's more of a sign of how our world is coming to : - that a man can be accused of such things, - that it is a possibility that someone could do such things either way ... it's pritty sick ... and bone: WHAT??? I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE THERE TO KNOW IF HE DID IT OR NOT!!!!!!!!!!!! And I sure hope you never end up in a jury ........... haz __________________

February 1st, 2005, 11:12 AM	#13
jasonchiu Joined: May 26th, 2004 Last Online: August 26th, 2005 Location: hong kong Posts: 5,216 Rep Power: 0	some probably did get molested by jackson, some probably just got touched and want his money

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Daniel Joined: Sep 25th, 2004 Last Online: November 16th, 2008 Location: Stavanger - Norway Posts: 2,337 Rep Power: 0	I think Jackson is Innocent but stupid. And people use him. Simple as that. __________________ Jeremy Clarkson's Online Articles

February 1st, 2005, 02:58 PM	#16
800hpfury Joined: Nov 10th, 2004 Last Online: November 10th, 2008 Posts: 52 Rep Power: 0	I think he should just back off hanging out with little kids.. and what is up with the parents of these little kids.. I would never let my kids hang out with some guy who has a real "kid" oriented home without being there too... You can't be too careful, and I don't get why these parents arent. Heck, if they want to sleep at "Uncle Michael's" or whatever they want to call him, that is FINE, just give them their own damn room in his palace, not in your room and / or not down some damn hallway that has alarm triggers and ish like that. The parents of these kids either see Michael as an easy target for $$$, but they are still possibly exposing their kids to someone who might warp them for life!

February 2nd, 2005, 07:10 AM	#20
jasonchiu Joined: May 26th, 2004 Last Online: August 26th, 2005 Location: hong kong Posts: 5,216 Rep Power: 0	i argee that its pretty fucking stupid for parents to still send them to jacksons house after all the previous things that happneded there

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