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Old November 18th, 2005, 10:26 PM   #1
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and this article talks about how the proposed rule could allow testing on orphans, mentally handicapped, or abused children.

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My primal urge is to say "Good Idea".

I'm going to get flack for this.

I say that it should follow the same rules as animal testing, as long as the test subject does not result in any pain or torture, I'd be okay with this. Orphans I think should be excluded, especially since they can still have a great chance in life.

Seems kinda of out there though, I doubt this will ever be allowed.
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I'm not buying it.

I am all for prison inmates getting reduced sentances for participating in experiements and studies, with thier consent of course.
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So animal rights ppl would like to see less testing on animals...Organic food lovers use pesticides as a reason why organic foods are better and without being able to test on humans how can one determine the negetive effects, if any, of pesticides on humans?

Complain all you want on the effects of pesticides or that they are harmful but if there is no research to bring about useful studies we would not have correct info one way or another. Its no wonder organic foods ppl don't want testing to prove that pesticides aren't as harmful as they claim.

It's a catch 22 though...
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Well it's a chemical so it MUST give you cancer, all the time! images/smilies/rolleyes.gif
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How do you know that?
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you don't, I was being sarcastic.
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Why don't we allow testing on animal rights activists instead? images/smilies/wink.gif
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Hahaha, give them the choice of either being tested on, or testing an animal in thier place.
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"PETA doesn't care about people." - Mr. Garrison

Testing on human beings!?
Unless it is a highly specific medicine, testing on humans is useless.

The only reason those mentalists are able to live past the age of 40 is because of extensive testing on animals.
Without animal testing, we'd still be stuck with medival medicine.

If those mentalists feel so strongly about this, they should willingly volunteer as the first subjects for experimentation!
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Why don't we allow testing on animal rights activists instead?
HERE HERE!! I second that vote. Also on the ELF and ALF, Animal liberation Front and Earth Liberation Front. One follower said on CBS's 60 Minutes that some assassinations need to happen to stop animal testing.

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Case in point is Dr. Jerry Vlasak, a practicing trauma surgeon in Los Angeles, who also acts as a spokesperson for several extreme animal rights groups. Vlasak has told audiences that it’s time to consider assassinating people who do research on animals.

Vlasak has been quoted as saying ‘I think for five lives, ten lives, 15 human lives, we could save a million, two million, ten million nonhuman lives.’

“I think people who torture innocent beings should be stopped. And if they won't stop when you ask them nicely, they won't stop when you demonstrate to them what they're doing is wrong, then they should be stopped using whatever means necessary,” Vlasak replied.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...n1036067.shtml

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Case in point is Dr. Jerry Vlasak, a practicing trauma surgeon in Los Angeles, who also acts as a spokesperson for several extreme animal rights groups. Vlasak has told audiences that it’s time to consider assassinating people who do research on animals.

Vlasak has been quoted as saying ‘I think for five lives, ten lives, 15 human lives, we could save a million, two million, ten million nonhuman lives.’

“I think people who torture innocent beings should be stopped. And if they won't stop when you ask them nicely, they won't stop when you demonstrate to them what they're doing is wrong, then they should be stopped using whatever means necessary,” Vlasak replied.
I think then we should also start to assassinate abortion doctors too, think how many lives could be saved then. People like this dude, get me down. Why don't we assassinate him and feed him to the crows, that'll save some crows from dying from starvation, heck he could save hundreds of crows.

Why don't the animal rights activits volunteer to replace some lab animals for scientific research, I mean if all these activists volunteered, think of how many animals could be saved from certain death. And we would be rid of these wackos who value animals above human life. I'm sick and tired of activists expecting everyone else to do what they want. All you hear about these organizations is that they protest this and that, nothing about them going out and planting some trees or opening an animal shelter with the millions they wasted buying lawyers to promote their cause, they could have done something much better. Look at organizations like the Salvation Army, it spend its money helping people, not in court trying to have their way.
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