Fence out Mexico?

[///M]

Originally Posted by justin syder

My great theory, (and yes this is my first post since being away, in the political section, go figure), get the hell out of China!!

That gov't is so damn deceitful and they are going to be a thorn in our ass.

They are trying to build up their military, they have spies trying to get info on our military tech and they are so unhelpful in terms of trade and politics.

I say, move all the factories to Mexico, that would slow down the illegal immigration greatly and we wouldnt be putting money in the pockets of the Chinese. It would cut costs of shipping since its next door and would greatly benefit Mexican economy. LETS GET OUT OF CHINA!! Cheap labor can be found in mexico and they wouldnt want to get into an arm race like the Chinese are slowly starting to do.

Well said.

[Firecat]

Somebody mentioned something about illegal immigrants not paying taxes. I think many do, I don't remember the figures but it was quite substantial. It quite possibly was enough, more, or close to enough to offset the cost of public services consumed.

Anyway...I have to agree with Justin.

[hokiethang]

I have to agree with justin as well. I mean, in my own little world, if we used Mexican labor more, I'd have my xbox360 on release day as opposed to having to wait an extra couple of weeks to get it.

To address my comment earlier about taxes, if they are actually being taxed, I believe they have the right to access the services. I was not aware that they were being taxed on income like the rest of us, but if that's the case, then they should have access to most of the government services. I have no problems with people as long as they abide by the laws and give their equal share.

[CanadianLoonie]

The Chinese market is a much bigger market than Mexico's and the NAFTA zone combined. That's why multinational corporations are going to China, not Mexico.

[Z Draci]

A Mexican getting the opportunity to legally emmigrate to the US is almost like winning the lottery. The chances are slim for the common folk. It is the same for all of South America. Somebody is bottlenecking the emmigration process down there . . .
The point is that the emmigration process is slow, complicated, and disorganised. They make it as difficult as possible to discourage people from leaving. It is so difficult that people would rather risk everything and run across the border! They are THAT desperate!

If Americans really do respect the basic values of our country, we should be embracing these immigrants with open arms! The only reason illegal immigrants are prevalent in the US is because the American labour market demands them!

If everybody stops supporting the industries that utilise illegal immigrant workers, then they might consider going back to their homeland. They stay because we indirectly ask them to.

I'm sure most Americans would prefer to buy $1.00 lettuce instead of $7.00 lettuce.
The American consumer is one who strongly demands low cost. How are you going to change that mentality?

What we should be doing is educating young adults so that they stop having children they cannot afford! They are the ones who grow up to be thieves, drug dealers, murderers, and scumbags of the future! Single parents are also largely at fault for deteriorating the moral fabric of our society. And don't let me get started on lazy ass Americans who feed off our welfare system . . .

Compared to these child support & welfare leeching scum, illegal Mexican immigrants are no problem at all! Most only have good intentions of working hard and earning a good living. That is an opportunity they did not have back in their homeland. If we legalise them all, they can help fund the welfare of lazy Americans who don't work. Maybe if we give them a good welcome, they'll come out of the shadows and be less intimidated by the negative publicity they've received.

As a country solely comprised of an immigrant population, the United States isn't doing what it originally advertised to do. We aren't French for crying out loud!

[zenkidori]

Originally Posted by hokiethang

That company is the federal government (even though no one directly admits it).

No, actually a private company patrols the Area51 border, this is pretty well known.

What about the immigrants that are taken advantage of because they are illegal? The ones forced to live in shanty towns near thier jobs, work for less than minimun wage, etc?

Illegal immigrants should not be met with open arms, then there is no point in having a border at all! Migrant workers are another thing entirely, and no they are not one in the same.

How can someone be taxed when they either don't technically exist here, or are using a stolen identity? How is this good?

[haha604]

I think what Justin said is totallly ridiculous. World peace is more secure when China is rich than when China is not. Same goes for India, Russia, Mexico, and all other developing countries. When you can can become wealthy by doing business, why go to war? I know China is an easy scapegoat for the problems in the US, just like Japan was in the 1980's, but I would expect a little bit more sense from Justin than what was displayed here.

I can see how putting a fence between Mexico and the US would appeal to some hardline Southeners though, even if the idea doesn't make any sense.

[bone]

who cares about world peace?

i want peace in my country, and preferably at my neighbours.

and the things justin proposed would help those goals (for americans)

(and if we all think like that, eventually, there will be world peace as well)

[gtrietsc]

Sure, welfare types are bad news, but illegal immigrants ARE a problem. For instance, they are the majority of drivers in Texas that are uninsured. Something like 40% of the drivers on Texas roads are uninsured - my best friend's mom was t-boned by one last week. There is nothing better than having your car totaled/possibly being injured by someone else and then having to pay for it yourself, through a deductible and higher premiums.

And just because they are desperate, that makes it OK?

[Manic Moran]

It seems to me that a lot of the arguments in favour of allowing the current levels of illegal immigration to continue sound highly reminiscent of those arguments used in the 1850s in favour of slavery. "The economy demands it. The Southern Economies will collapse if it were stopped. Who'd pay three times as much for cotton?" and so on.

I saw a calculation once that basically said that the amount of money it would cost to put up a coast-to-coast barrier of a specific quality, height and construction wouldn't add up to the amount of money that the illegal immigration issue costs California alone in one year.

It wouldn't stop them, no, but if it slows them down enough that Border Patrol can get to them...

gtrietsc is quite correct: The problem is nothing to do with economics or morals. It's a matter of not losing the Hispanic vote.

NTM

[Firecat]

lol...this kinda made me laugh.

http://www.local6.com/news/5355595/detail.html

[zenkidori]

They are red, white and green, the colors of the Mexican flag. On the back ankle, a drawing of Mexico's patron saint of migrants.

Ok, here's one thing I don't get about the migrant hispanic population. They come here from thier shithole lives in Mexico, get jobs, make money, live decent, etc. However they are ALWAYS bashing the US and parade around the Mexican flag as if there is going to be a regime change any second. What gives? I am all for having pride in your heritage, and not forgetting where you come from, but I don't go around yelling about how horrible the US is, waving the German flag and fighting people during Oktoberfest or Tag der Deutschen Einheit, all the while enjoying what the US has to offer.

DISCLAIMER: YES this is a broad generalization and YES I realize that many Mexican immigrants are not this way.

[justin syder]

DISCLAIMER: YES this is a broad generalization and YES I realize that many Mexican immigrants are not this way.

Don't get all P.C. on us, you have an opinion and you can state it, don't try to cover your ass with a P.C. disclaimer.

Their designer is 38-year-old Judi Werthein, an Argentine artist who moved to New York in 1997 -- legally, she notes.

The Irony in this...here it is...

So instead of helping migrants come in legally or become citizens she is helping them break the law, come in ILLEGALLY. What a wonderful citizen!

Anyway, Illegal immigration is a problem and I'm sure there are good statistics to show crime related to illegal immigrants.

[zenkidori]

What a douche. Does she have any idea how dangerous the border area is, or how many people die crossing it?