Fur. - Page 2

Viper007Bond · February 27th, 2005, 08:13 PM

I'd never wear it. It kinda disgusts me. images/smilies/thumbdown.gif

Jostyrostelli · February 28th, 2005, 05:50 AM

Poll:
I have no problem with it, I would wear it, I don't care.
8

I would never wear fur, I love animals too much.
3

How can you wear fur if you know the animal is treated like that in the vid? Damn...

All for comfort...

Ultra_Kool_Dude · February 28th, 2005, 05:46 PM

Josty, I don't think anyone is condoning the poor treatment of the animals, but what is the difference between eating meat and wearing fur (if the the animals are killed humanely in both cases)?

Kip_6666 · February 28th, 2005, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jostyrostelli

Poll:
I have no problem with it, I would wear it, I don't care.
8

I would never wear fur, I love animals too much.
3

How can you wear fur if you know the animal is treated like that in the vid? Damn...

All for comfort...

Do you think all fur comes from that guy smacking rats on the pavement?

There are some good "farms" out there.

Plus, I'm pretty sure they (and so did I) voted for the first option because they don't agree with the second option. But Don't take the first option litterly, I'm sure they don't care about animals.

Is just lame presenting the first option like ppl don't care, very very bias and it can't result in a proper non bias choice. Fix it..

Jostyrostelli · February 28th, 2005, 05:57 PM

Oh I wouldn't mind fur if the animals had a good life and had no pain during their death.

If people tortured cows to get milk I would be against milk.

Hope you see my point I'm making.

Kip_6666 · February 28th, 2005, 05:59 PM

Yup, but you can't be against all meat because one farm somewhere in china treats their animals badly. Other farms do it more ethicly. But propaly not as well as it should be done. But its also a question of price and time.

Ultra_Kool_Dude · February 28th, 2005, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jostyrostelli

Oh I wouldn't mind fur if the animals had a good life and had no pain during their death.

If people tortured cows to get milk I would be against milk.

Hope you see my point I'm making.

We're on the same page then. Perhaps the solution is some sort of tag that would be attached to a fur coat by an independent party that states "the animals to make this coat were killed humanely" (maybe something like the dolphin message that is on tuna cans).

Jostyrostelli · February 28th, 2005, 06:02 PM

^^ I have yet to see a good furfarm, even here in Holland I haven't seen a decent one where the animals can walk around on earth....

Ultra_Kool_Dude · February 28th, 2005, 06:07 PM

It's because PETA is so damn stupid. Instead of trying to improve the treatment of animals in constructive ways, they hand out bloody baskets of dead chickens to kids at KFC. images/smilies/wacko.gif

Jostyrostelli · February 28th, 2005, 06:13 PM

Oh that's weird, but they have to draw attention for it...It's not like they have all the money in the world. They need to get people who donate...so you need to show the world how bad it is...

Kip_6666 · February 28th, 2005, 06:16 PM

I hope peta isn't anything like on that episode of southpark.

Ultra_Kool_Dude · February 28th, 2005, 06:26 PM

They basically just demand that everyone becomes a vegetarian. By being so radical they ensure that it just remains a fringe movement. If they let people know which animal products were killed humanely, then they could let the people decide what to buy themselves.

Jostyrostelli · February 28th, 2005, 06:28 PM

I think there is a label for fur already, but that's been copied too...

So PETA is just like WSPA Wold Society for the Protection of Animals?

bigfoot1942 · February 28th, 2005, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jostyrostelli

If people tortured cows to get milk I would be against milk.

Hope you see my point I'm making.

weird point. since in fact you aren't against milk, but only against the torturing.
So if you would ask if i would be against milk i would say: no definately not.
(but that doesnt mean i would approve of torturing cows)

Jostyrostelli · February 28th, 2005, 08:16 PM

Huh...I just said that because someone else said "what if fur is taken from animals if they had a good life and haven't been tortured when they got killed".

I would have no real problem with it, the reason why I said that about milk is:

Milk is taken from a cow, and he doesn't mind (as far as I know images/smilies/tongue.gif

), he doesn't get tortured of whatever. If they would cut him open and take milk, I wouldn't drink milk..

Clear images/smilies/wink.gif

ruuman · March 1st, 2005, 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haha604

I am absolutely against skinning an animal while its alive, but I have no problem with taking meat and fur from an animal after giving it a quick death.

I think that pretty much sums up my feelings about the matter. The way I tend to consider this type of thing is put myself in the animals position.

I couldn't care less what happens to my body when I die. But I don't see why anything should suffer more than necessary.

If I every find a bird that been left for dead by a cat I always put it out of it's misery.

As for wearing fur, I don't really see the point with today's modern fabric like Gore-Tex is far superior in every way. Fur for fashion I could give a shite. I've always agreed that vanity is the worst sin.
Still haven't found a good replacement for leather boots/shoes though.

JoeBlo1 · March 6th, 2005, 06:14 AM

I have no problem wearing fur. If you are against wearing fur for the sake of animals, you must be a vegetarian or else you are a real hypocrite. As long as animals are killed for food and clothing - and not tortured, severely mistreated, or killed for fun or for no apparent reason aside from serving humans - there is no problem with slaughtering an animal at all.

I guess if you are against fur, you must be also against leather because leather is basically a cow's skin.

Some people don't even have human rights, what's the point of focusing on animal rights?

It's like the Meet the Neighbours series of Clarkson which shows the French, Italians, and Spaniards eating meat without caring about the animal.

Jostyrostelli · March 6th, 2005, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeBlo1

As long as animals are killed for food and clothing - and not tortured, severely mistreated, or killed for fun or for no apparent reason aside from serving humans - there is no problem with slaughtering an animal at all.

And THAT'S the whole problem for me, fur ISN'T taken from animals in a 'humane' way...

pdanev · March 6th, 2005, 08:55 PM

Damn, that video was sick. I dont remember exactely who said what in this topic, but i would join the party that is against torturing, skining alive, mistreating, etc animals. That is sick imo images/smilies/thumbdown.gif

No matter 3rd world people or not, beating those animals and skinning them alive is totally unacceptable. Disgusting!!!

I am not against meat etc, as longs as animals are given a quick, painless death and are not kept in some miserable cages all life long.

As to other more important problems, that is true. There are more important problems and less importan ones. I think all should be paid a fair amount of attention. You can't disregard problem A because B is more important as long as you can pay attention to both.

Jostyrostelli · March 6th, 2005, 08:58 PM

I agree totally with your opinion! Especially the second part, it seemed nobody got me when I tried to say that!

View Poll Results: What do you think?
I have no problem with it, I would wear it, I don't care.	17	43.59%
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February 27th, 2005, 08:13 PM	#21
Viper007Bond Lazy Head Dude Joined: Sep 21st, 2003 Last Online: 03:37 PM Location: Portland, Oregon Age: 24 Posts: 20,993 Car: Dodge Viper (I wish!) Rep Power: 234	I'd never wear it. It kinda disgusts me. __________________ Fight back against the evil Quiky by +1'ing this post! There is no replacement for displacement. - Wolfgang Bernhard, Chief Operating Officer, Chrysler Group talking about the Dodge Viper SRT-10 ... I ask Herb Helbig, vehicle synthesis manager for SRT and a member of the original Team Viper development group since day one, if they'd ever thought of adding traction control. "It comes with two," he says, pointing at my feet. "Learn to use them." Got it. - Motor Trend on the 2006 Dodge Viper Coupe, November 2005

February 28th, 2005, 05:50 AM	#22
Jostyrostelli Joined: May 29th, 2004 Last Online: November 19th, 2008 Posts: 8,063 Rep Power: 27	Poll: I have no problem with it, I would wear it, I don't care. 8 I would never wear fur, I love animals too much. 3 How can you wear fur if you know the animal is treated like that in the vid? Damn... All for comfort... __________________ Your talents are not an achievement. What you do with them is. Owner of a 1970 Beetle 1300. (click for movies) Water is only to do the dishes.

February 28th, 2005, 05:46 PM	#23
Ultra_Kool_Dude AWESOME!!!111ONE Joined: Oct 4th, 2004 Last Online: November 24th, 2008 Location: Clarkson's House Posts: 3,684 Car: POWERR!!! Rep Power: 0	Josty, I don't think anyone is condoning the poor treatment of the animals, but what is the difference between eating meat and wearing fur (if the the animals are killed humanely in both cases)? __________________ What's the difference between charity and socialism? What's the difference between sex and rape?

February 28th, 2005, 05:57 PM	#25
Jostyrostelli Joined: May 29th, 2004 Last Online: November 19th, 2008 Posts: 8,063 Rep Power: 27	Oh I wouldn't mind fur if the animals had a good life and had no pain during their death. If people tortured cows to get milk I would be against milk. Hope you see my point I'm making. __________________ Your talents are not an achievement. What you do with them is. Owner of a 1970 Beetle 1300. (click for movies) Water is only to do the dishes.

February 28th, 2005, 05:59 PM	#26
Kip_6666 I Bought This Title :o Joined: May 17th, 2004 Last Online: 05:33 PM Location: The Netherlands Age: 22 Posts: 2,960 Car: Saab 93 2.0t @ stage 3 now Rep Power: 31	Yup, but you can't be against all meat because one farm somewhere in china treats their animals badly. Other farms do it more ethicly. But propaly not as well as it should be done. But its also a question of price and time. __________________ http://www.internet-memes.com My Flickr

February 28th, 2005, 06:02 PM	#28
Jostyrostelli Joined: May 29th, 2004 Last Online: November 19th, 2008 Posts: 8,063 Rep Power: 27	^^ I have yet to see a good furfarm, even here in Holland I haven't seen a decent one where the animals can walk around on earth.... __________________ Your talents are not an achievement. What you do with them is. Owner of a 1970 Beetle 1300. (click for movies) Water is only to do the dishes.

February 28th, 2005, 06:07 PM	#29
Ultra_Kool_Dude AWESOME!!!111ONE Joined: Oct 4th, 2004 Last Online: November 24th, 2008 Location: Clarkson's House Posts: 3,684 Car: POWERR!!! Rep Power: 0	It's because PETA is so damn stupid. Instead of trying to improve the treatment of animals in constructive ways, they hand out bloody baskets of dead chickens to kids at KFC. __________________ What's the difference between charity and socialism? What's the difference between sex and rape?

February 28th, 2005, 06:13 PM	#30
Jostyrostelli Joined: May 29th, 2004 Last Online: November 19th, 2008 Posts: 8,063 Rep Power: 27	Oh that's weird, but they have to draw attention for it...It's not like they have all the money in the world. They need to get people who donate...so you need to show the world how bad it is... __________________ Your talents are not an achievement. What you do with them is. Owner of a 1970 Beetle 1300. (click for movies) Water is only to do the dishes.

February 28th, 2005, 06:16 PM	#31
Kip_6666 I Bought This Title :o Joined: May 17th, 2004 Last Online: 05:33 PM Location: The Netherlands Age: 22 Posts: 2,960 Car: Saab 93 2.0t @ stage 3 now Rep Power: 31	I hope peta isn't anything like on that episode of southpark. __________________ http://www.internet-memes.com My Flickr

February 28th, 2005, 06:26 PM	#32
Ultra_Kool_Dude AWESOME!!!111ONE Joined: Oct 4th, 2004 Last Online: November 24th, 2008 Location: Clarkson's House Posts: 3,684 Car: POWERR!!! Rep Power: 0	They basically just demand that everyone becomes a vegetarian. By being so radical they ensure that it just remains a fringe movement. If they let people know which animal products were killed humanely, then they could let the people decide what to buy themselves. __________________ What's the difference between charity and socialism? What's the difference between sex and rape?

February 28th, 2005, 06:28 PM	#33
Jostyrostelli Joined: May 29th, 2004 Last Online: November 19th, 2008 Posts: 8,063 Rep Power: 27	I think there is a label for fur already, but that's been copied too... So PETA is just like WSPA Wold Society for the Protection of Animals? __________________ Your talents are not an achievement. What you do with them is. Owner of a 1970 Beetle 1300. (click for movies) Water is only to do the dishes.

February 28th, 2005, 08:16 PM	#35
Jostyrostelli Joined: May 29th, 2004 Last Online: November 19th, 2008 Posts: 8,063 Rep Power: 27	Huh...I just said that because someone else said "what if fur is taken from animals if they had a good life and haven't been tortured when they got killed". I would have no real problem with it, the reason why I said that about milk is: Milk is taken from a cow, and he doesn't mind (as far as I know ), he doesn't get tortured of whatever. If they would cut him open and take milk, I wouldn't drink milk.. Clear __________________ Your talents are not an achievement. What you do with them is. Owner of a 1970 Beetle 1300. (click for movies) Water is only to do the dishes.

March 6th, 2005, 06:14 AM	#37
JoeBlo1 Joined: Feb 18th, 2004 Last Online: December 2nd, 2008 Location: Toronto Age: 23 Posts: 495 Rep Power: 20	I have no problem wearing fur. If you are against wearing fur for the sake of animals, you must be a vegetarian or else you are a real hypocrite. As long as animals are killed for food and clothing - and not tortured, severely mistreated, or killed for fun or for no apparent reason aside from serving humans - there is no problem with slaughtering an animal at all. I guess if you are against fur, you must be also against leather because leather is basically a cow's skin. Some people don't even have human rights, what's the point of focusing on animal rights? It's like the Meet the Neighbours series of Clarkson which shows the French, Italians, and Spaniards eating meat without caring about the animal.

March 6th, 2005, 08:55 PM	#39
pdanev Joined: Oct 4th, 2004 Last Online: Yesterday Location: Netherlands Age: 25 Posts: 5,643 LFS Status: Rep Power: 24	Damn, that video was sick. I dont remember exactely who said what in this topic, but i would join the party that is against torturing, skining alive, mistreating, etc animals. That is sick imo No matter 3rd world people or not, beating those animals and skinning them alive is totally unacceptable. Disgusting!!! I am not against meat etc, as longs as animals are given a quick, painless death and are not kept in some miserable cages all life long. As to other more important problems, that is true. There are more important problems and less importan ones. I think all should be paid a fair amount of attention. You can't disregard problem A because B is more important as long as you can pay attention to both.

March 6th, 2005, 08:58 PM	#40
Jostyrostelli Joined: May 29th, 2004 Last Online: November 19th, 2008 Posts: 8,063 Rep Power: 27	I agree totally with your opinion! Especially the second part, it seemed nobody got me when I tried to say that! __________________ Your talents are not an achievement. What you do with them is. Owner of a 1970 Beetle 1300. (click for movies) Water is only to do the dishes.

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