"Gearge Bush doesn't care about black people"

[tranceshakeel]

Bush doesn't care about the lives of iraqis, afghanis as well as his own peeps !

[hokiethang]

Originally Posted by tranceshakeel

Bush doesn't care about the lives of iraqis, afghanis as well as his own peeps !

Way to be a closed minded foreign armchair quarterback. Believe what you want, but we wouldn't have spent trillions of dollars, if something good won't result. You don't overthrow a government and spend billions reconstructing the country if you don't care about the country and people. Enough with the blatant hate for Bush, political discussions aren't productive when you just make shallow, closed minded comments like that above.

Make comments that are productive instead of just spewing hatred. I disagree with some of his policies, but I also disagree with the policies of many other countries, you don't see me spewing hatred just for the sake of spewing hatred about their leaders. Plus this discussion was about a comment made here in the US, NO WHERE was iraqis and afghans mentioned... Stop derailing the conversation because of your closed minded view of the world, just like most people outside this country.

[tranceshakeel]

Ok i am close minded The fact is that I dont believe i need to argue about a person who doesn't mind his own business. He has done more outside his country, even though all useless, than in his own country to help his own people !

This train needs a lot of velocity at a sudden corner to derail. I dont think my small comment about iraqis etc. will derail it because i was actually talking about his character due to external affairs as is in my eyes.

[gtrietsc]

We do more outside our country because we are expected to. If you look at your history, Spain was a vast empire, once upon a time, and you had your share of foriegn intervention...

[tranceshakeel]

I'm not spanish im a diplomat here ! and that might have been in history, dude these are modern times u cant invade now !

[gtrietsc]

Why? Why is it more wrong now than it used to be? Just playing devil's advocate here a little.

Oh, and sorry - didn't mean to assume you are Spanish - just looking at the location.

[tranceshakeel]

Because we are 'supposed' to repect other countries' laws as well as human rights.

[///M]

Originally Posted by tranceshakeel

Because we are 'supposed' to repect other countries' laws as well as human rights.

Because as we all know, Saddam Hussein was the torch bearer for human rights in the middle east.

Don't forget the Taliban. Those guys are the best example of a government that recognizes the rights of all humans.

[tranceshakeel]

The People of that country themselves are responsible for their governments and should be the ones to help themselves. Revolution is the answer ! and no one gets hated.

[///M]

Living life a bit too romantically, aren't we?

A revolution hasn't worked in an Arab country since the 60s. The people there aren't ready for a revolution. The last revolt in Iraq led to the destruction of any opposition to Saddam from the Shiites and the Kurds.

So, any other suggestions?

[hokiethang]

Originally Posted by tranceshakeel

The People of that country themselves are responsible for their governments and should be the ones to help themselves. Revolution is the answer ! and no one gets hated.

A revolution is really hard when one side has tanks and ak-47s and the other side has nothing... It's romantic to think people can fight governments by themselves, but citizens stand NO chance against a government with tanks, fighter jets and machine guns.

[tranceshakeel]

Ok, I am sorry i started this.

[gtrietsc]

Y'know, revolution is different these days, just like invading countries. For instance, if the British found out that you were a sympathizer of the movement for independence of the American colonies, you might be incarcerated.

If you had plans against Saddam and were found out, you, and all of your family, would be shot and killed, AFTER you were tortured for many weeks.

So the fact that they have not risen up on their own and demanded something better is not that surprising to me.

[Kip_6666]

Revolution is a bit more quiter these days is what I've noticed.

Take Egypt and Lebanon for example. Maybe its not as clear with Egypt, But with Lebanon every month or so you notice they're taking a new step to clear itself from the Serian influence. THere have been a few accedents, and killings. But its not like Seria is sending thier troops over to stop this. Probably also has alot to do with the western world looking over it's shoulder, specialy the US.

As for Egypt, the new revolution has been in the voteing process, its become more democratic. Even though it probably didn't go as well as it should, its still a major step towards what i hope is more influence for the people.

Democracy in the way we know it isn't always the main issue, its what the people want. Take Iran for instance, their new president, I'm getting the idea most of the people in Iran are happy with the man. He wasn't chosen in a democratic way, but if the result is that most of the people are happy with him, i see no problems with the out come then.

A totalitarian state producing bad results isn't gonna last long this day and age. Specialy with foreign pressure.

[tranceshakeel]

ohh I understand, So is Zimbabwe next ?