Genetically modified plants - poll

jetsetter · June 24th, 2008, 04:03 AM

At the moment there is great debate in Great Britain about the possible introduction of genetically modified plants for consumption by people and feed animals. In the United States genetically modified plants are common and have been in use for over 15 years. Remember that if you live or have visited or have eaten a product from the United States there is a 99% chance that you have eaten something with GM content.

My question is, do you approve of this practice or not.

avanti · June 24th, 2008, 04:16 AM

Yes I approve, as you said it has been around for ages in the States, as far as I know it has not killed anyone...

Ottobon · June 24th, 2008, 04:19 AM

One of the neater contradictions hippies usually have. You can use much less fertilizer, land, and energy to make it, but because hippies happen to believe in Hollywood bullshit they are completely and utterly against it. Atleast from a Environmental point of view its fucking fantastic, of course so is cutting down forests and replanting them.

Blind_Io · June 24th, 2008, 04:20 AM

Yes, GM foods are the best chance we have to feed the world population and create drought-resistant crops. Anyone who is opposed to GM crops probably has the luxury of living within walking distance of a supermarket and has never gone hungry in his/her life. I got into it with a couple of organic, all-natural food hippies a while ago and told them that they should move to Africa and try to grow crops in the dust. Until then they can STFU about GM foods that could feed billions of people; they don't have the right to protest the technology when they have the luxury of living in a country with a food surplus.

Viper007Bond · June 24th, 2008, 04:24 AM

GM's fine with me as long as there's oversight.

eddysdaman · June 24th, 2008, 04:34 AM

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I'm down with it. Natural evolution.
Besides, It's not like its going to stop 'organically' grown items, just means more food for the others who can't/don't have access to the fresh stuff.

jetsetter · June 24th, 2008, 04:51 AM

One of the problems that some people have is that the companies that produce the seeds modify them in such a way that the plants grown from that seed don't produced seed and the farmers have to buy again from the company. I don't have a problem with that but it seems that some do.

The Fishman · June 24th, 2008, 05:31 AM

I think you will find food has been genetically modified since the Egyptians starting modifying wheat etc.

KaJuN · June 24th, 2008, 05:50 AM

Food is food right? I have absolutely nothing against methods that allow food to be produced more efficiently. I'll even go as far as saying I wouldn't mind eating cloned meat.

bafranksbro · June 24th, 2008, 06:07 AM

^Yeah that's what I'm thinking, what matters how it was made, I mean it's still food. I don't see how it could harm anyone, unless there is something I'm missing about this.

Vette Boss · June 24th, 2008, 06:40 AM

Cloned meat is perfectly fine, it's not a case where animals have a distinct personality or anything; a cow is just that.

thedguy · June 24th, 2008, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jetsetter

One of the problems that some people have is that the companies that produce the seeds modify them in such a way that the plants grown from that seed don't produced seed and the farmers have to buy again from the company. I don't have a problem with that but it seems that some do.

That's not just a product security issue it's also a good idea to help prevent some screwed up genetic plant from taking over because someone put an X where the Y should have gone.

Peter3hg · June 24th, 2008, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jetsetter

At the moment there is great debate in Great Britain about the possible introduction of genetically modified plants for consumption by people and feed animals. In the United States genetically modified plants are common and have been in use for over 15 years. Remember that if you live or have visited or have eaten a product from the United States there is a 99% chance that you have eaten something with GM content.

My question is, do you approve of this practice or not.

Welcome to 1996.

Scooby5 · June 24th, 2008, 09:10 AM

Voted Yes....... quite simply because the majority of people are eating it already without knowing.

jetsetter · June 24th, 2008, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter3hg

Welcome to 1996.

I bring it up because there has been an increase in articles about GM foods in British newspapers.

efoolution · June 25th, 2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jetsetter

[...]My question is, do you approve of this practice or not.

I don´t fear eating genetically enhanced or altered crops ... but I strongly oppose the big seed-producers copyright on genes/gene alteration. A farmer should have the right to decide what he plants and not be sued when the wind blows copyrighted seed onto his soil (they do gene-tests and find out if you were using their seeds without "license", then sue you even if you cant stop the wind blowing the stuff over from across the road where someone uses the seed). That´s why I oppose it.

Suedschleife · June 25th, 2008, 06:57 PM

Can't make up my mind, there are many pro and cons on both sides but I lack the knowledge and wisdom to make a judgement call here. Guess I am generally in favor of the idea, but practical difficulties of long-term separation from non-modified plants, commercial priorities of the producers, and an inflated conviction in our scientific advancement does worry me.

The one thing I do demand is that these products can be clearly identified by the consumer.

Scooby5 · June 26th, 2008, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Suedschleife

The one thing I do demand is that these products can be clearly identified by the consumer.

View that topic in the same way you would mixed marriage/relationships and i mean between Black and White, Asian and White, M.Eastern and White, Indian and Asian, English and French images/smilies/tongue.gif

for want of more politically correct terms. Learned a long time ago though this forum is not the best place for cpolitical correctness anyway.

What something appears like on the surface, in this case a human, is not necessarily what's under the skin.

As time goes by ALL the lines will get blurred and to some extend, centuries from now, if we've not been killed of by global warming, rampant terrorism or an over population of H&S or just stupid people then....... we'll all be the same. It will be the same with food, you won't be able to distinguish between one or the other.

This is one of those roads that once you start walking there is no turning back, like cloning.

Labcoatguy · June 26th, 2008, 06:10 PM

The ignorant asses making a big fuss over these things have no sense of perspective or history. The wild predecessors of EVERY single crop plant are completely unrecognizable from what comes off even the most primitive non-GM farm, thanks to selective breeding, or to call it what it really is, zomg genetic modification! We've just now acquired the tools to combine the genes directly instead of hit-and-miss crossbreeding that results in x number of failed crops for every y number of successful ones. There's no utopian hippy trippy idyl we can return to where plants are our best buddies that gladly give up their hoarded nutrients without our dirty evil scientific human hands forcing them to grow big and juicy. Progress happens. Deal with it.

(not directed at anyone's post above, just at protesters in general)

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June 24th, 2008, 04:03 AM	#1
jetsetter Joined: Dec 11th, 2005 Last Online: 01:44 AM Location: Most Serene Republic of California Posts: 4,733 Car: 1992 Toyota Pickup Rep Power: 39	Genetically modified plants - poll At the moment there is great debate in Great Britain about the possible introduction of genetically modified plants for consumption by people and feed animals. In the United States genetically modified plants are common and have been in use for over 15 years. Remember that if you live or have visited or have eaten a product from the United States there is a 99% chance that you have eaten something with GM content. My question is, do you approve of this practice or not. __________________ "Let's not forget that we are fighting for peace and for the welfare of mankind.” -Potsdam Conference - Harry S. Truman "This month's public bread is provided by the Capitoline Brotherhood of Millers. The Brotherhood uses only the finest flour: true Roman bread for true Romans." -Rome - Newsreader

June 24th, 2008, 04:16 AM	#2
avanti Joined: Jul 22nd, 2005 Last Online: 09:45 PM Location: Milano, Italia Posts: 2,588 Car: 2 cars + 3 bikes Rep Power: 62	Yes I approve, as you said it has been around for ages in the States, as far as I know it has not killed anyone... __________________ \|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\| Ride, Eat, Sleep, Repeat.

June 24th, 2008, 04:20 AM	#4
Blind_Io Dispenses buckshot medication for all undead patients. Joined: Apr 5th, 2006 Last Online: 08:15 PM Location: Richmond, California, USA Age: 27 Posts: 8,933 Car: 2004 Honda Civic Coupe 2000 VFR800 Interceptor Rep Power: 113	Yes, GM foods are the best chance we have to feed the world population and create drought-resistant crops. Anyone who is opposed to GM crops probably has the luxury of living within walking distance of a supermarket and has never gone hungry in his/her life. I got into it with a couple of organic, all-natural food hippies a while ago and told them that they should move to Africa and try to grow crops in the dust. Until then they can STFU about GM foods that could feed billions of people; they don't have the right to protest the technology when they have the luxury of living in a country with a food surplus. __________________ Life is like riding, you have to keep your balance to keep moving. Deacon of Dirt, Head of North American Anti-Environmental Inquisition (Left Coast Division). founder of The Church of Gear's Two Wheeled Sect. Zombie Slayer, Extraordinaire. Reasonable rates, inquire within.

June 24th, 2008, 04:24 AM	#5
Viper007Bond Lazy Head Dude Joined: Sep 21st, 2003 Last Online: 03:37 PM Location: Portland, Oregon Age: 24 Posts: 20,993 Car: Dodge Viper (I wish!) Rep Power: 234	GM's fine with me as long as there's oversight. __________________ Fight back against the evil Quiky by +1'ing this post! There is no replacement for displacement. - Wolfgang Bernhard, Chief Operating Officer, Chrysler Group talking about the Dodge Viper SRT-10 ... I ask Herb Helbig, vehicle synthesis manager for SRT and a member of the original Team Viper development group since day one, if they'd ever thought of adding traction control. "It comes with two," he says, pointing at my feet. "Learn to use them." Got it. - Motor Trend on the 2006 Dodge Viper Coupe, November 2005

June 24th, 2008, 04:19 AM	#3
Ottobon Joined: Nov 27th, 2005 Last Online: 05:47 AM Posts: 3,111 Car: Too many Rep Power: 33	One of the neater contradictions hippies usually have. You can use much less fertilizer, land, and energy to make it, but because hippies happen to believe in Hollywood bullshit they are completely and utterly against it. Atleast from a Environmental point of view its fucking fantastic, of course so is cutting down forests and replanting them.

June 24th, 2008, 04:34 AM	#6
eddysdaman Joined: Mar 19th, 2005 Last Online: 09:33 PM Location: Australia Age: 19 Posts: 712 Car: 01' Mitsubishi Lancer Rep Power: 21	I'm down with it. Natural evolution. Besides, It's not like its going to stop 'organically' grown items, just means more food for the others who can't/don't have access to the fresh stuff. __________________ See My Ride, Lenny Lancer: and my Forums Website For Awesome Wide-screen Wallpapers

June 24th, 2008, 04:51 AM	#7
jetsetter Joined: Dec 11th, 2005 Last Online: 01:44 AM Location: Most Serene Republic of California Posts: 4,733 Car: 1992 Toyota Pickup Rep Power: 39	One of the problems that some people have is that the companies that produce the seeds modify them in such a way that the plants grown from that seed don't produced seed and the farmers have to buy again from the company. I don't have a problem with that but it seems that some do. __________________ "Let's not forget that we are fighting for peace and for the welfare of mankind.” -Potsdam Conference - Harry S. Truman "This month's public bread is provided by the Capitoline Brotherhood of Millers. The Brotherhood uses only the finest flour: true Roman bread for true Romans." -Rome - Newsreader

June 24th, 2008, 05:31 AM	#8
The Fishman Joined: Apr 10th, 2008 Last Online: 01:50 AM Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 320 Rep Power: 6	I think you will find food has been genetically modified since the Egyptians starting modifying wheat etc. __________________ Buddy Franklin is The Stig.

June 24th, 2008, 05:50 AM	#9
KaJuN Joined: Jul 31st, 2006 Last Online: November 17th, 2008 Location: USAF Basic Training Age: 22 Posts: 4,628 Car: Land Rover Discovery, 1980 Yamaha XJ650 Rep Power: 91	Food is food right? I have absolutely nothing against methods that allow food to be produced more efficiently. I'll even go as far as saying I wouldn't mind eating cloned meat. __________________ D-Fence: Kajun is just outside caressing his Discovery....touching it gently, you know......it is such a dirty bitch.....but he seems to love dirty girls in high heels who are taller then him and have "quite a few pounds" on their hips ^^ Yes we can! Join my fan club. You know you want a piece of this action!

June 24th, 2008, 06:07 AM	#10
bafranksbro Joined: Dec 1st, 2007 Last Online: July 18th, 2008 Location: New Hampshire Age: 24 Posts: 598 Car: 98 VW Jetta Rep Power: 12	^Yeah that's what I'm thinking, what matters how it was made, I mean it's still food. I don't see how it could harm anyone, unless there is something I'm missing about this. __________________ "He can spot your beaver from about a mile away..." -Clarkson

June 24th, 2008, 06:40 AM	#11
Vette Boss Joined: Nov 14th, 2004 Last Online: 07:15 PM Location: United States, Britain, in time Age: 22 Posts: 2,983 Car: Nissan Altima 3.5-litre SE Rep Power: 34	Cloned meat is perfectly fine, it's not a case where animals have a distinct personality or anything; a cow is just that. __________________ 2003 Nissan Altima 3.5SE SHIFT_the future

June 24th, 2008, 09:10 AM	#14
Scooby5 Joined: Mar 24th, 2005 Last Online: 09:23 AM Location: A Scot in Singapore Posts: 402 Car: '06 Subaru Legacy 2.0L GT Wagon Rep Power: 20	Voted Yes....... quite simply because the majority of people are eating it already without knowing. __________________ The species of whale known as the Black Right whale has four kilos of brains and 1,000 kilos of testicles. If it thinks at all, we know what it is thinking about. -- Jon Lien (Professor, St. John's University, Newfoundland)

June 25th, 2008, 06:57 PM	#17
Suedschleife Joined: Sep 6th, 2007 Last Online: 08:20 PM Location: Colonia Claudia Ara Agrippinensium, Germania Age: 32 Posts: 355 Rep Power: 17	Can't make up my mind, there are many pro and cons on both sides but I lack the knowledge and wisdom to make a judgement call here. Guess I am generally in favor of the idea, but practical difficulties of long-term separation from non-modified plants, commercial priorities of the producers, and an inflated conviction in our scientific advancement does worry me. The one thing I do demand is that these products can be clearly identified by the consumer. __________________ DMOTOR sub project

June 26th, 2008, 06:10 PM	#19
Labcoatguy Joined: Mar 27th, 2005 Last Online: 09:46 PM Location: Boston, MA Age: 25 Posts: 2,532 Car: None, but soon enough Rep Power: 76	The ignorant asses making a big fuss over these things have no sense of perspective or history. The wild predecessors of EVERY single crop plant are completely unrecognizable from what comes off even the most primitive non-GM farm, thanks to selective breeding, or to call it what it really is, zomg genetic modification! We've just now acquired the tools to combine the genes directly instead of hit-and-miss crossbreeding that results in x number of failed crops for every y number of successful ones. There's no utopian hippy trippy idyl we can return to where plants are our best buddies that gladly give up their hoarded nutrients without our dirty evil scientific human hands forcing them to grow big and juicy. Progress happens. Deal with it. (not directed at anyone's post above, just at protesters in general)