Has America Reached its Apex?

Ultra_Kool_Dude · April 1st, 2006, 05:46 PM

Are the best days of America behind us?

bone · April 1st, 2006, 05:56 PM

they have been since al capone got caught images/smilies/wink.gif

avanti · April 1st, 2006, 05:57 PM

I don't see how that would be the case.

Firecat · April 1st, 2006, 06:16 PM

What are you basing that on?

jensked · April 1st, 2006, 06:18 PM

What do you mean?
economically? politically? the USA as a world power? the USA as a world leader?

zenkidori · April 1st, 2006, 06:51 PM

A very vauge and poorly worded querstion, but in a word, no.

bartboy9891 · April 1st, 2006, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultra_Kool_Dude

Are the best days of America behind us?

you live in canada! what do you know about the best days of america?! images/smilies/tongue.gif

Ultra_Kool_Dude · April 1st, 2006, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by zenkidori

A very vauge and poorly worded querstion, but in a word, no.

I'm glad you posted a well thought out (and nicely spelled) answer then.

Okay, here's what I mean. The center of the world was at one time Rome/Italy, then it became London/England, and now it is the US. Is the level at which the world is centered in the US rising or falling?

Z Draci · April 1st, 2006, 09:42 PM

I think it depends on how fast China is rising right now.

hajj · April 1st, 2006, 10:40 PM

My bets are on India, but China is also very likely to become the next "leader". Both countries have good growth rates, but there are factors which are often not considered which make India better off.
At the moment the US are probabaly at the highest level they have ever been, even though they have a conservative, limiting and highly influencial religious movement which is limiting innovation in area's such as cloning, human tissue and stem cell research. Innovation was one key element which made the US big and a drop here would set it back quite a bit. Politically I do not see a breakdown happening so quickly, nobody would step up to the US anyway or it's another World War which would reorder the whole world anyway.

matt_shaw · April 1st, 2006, 11:00 PM

n0o0bs canada is soo the next world leader

Scott · April 1st, 2006, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by matt_shaw

n0o0bs canada is soo the next world leader

Firecat · April 2nd, 2006, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultra_Kool_Dude

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Originally Posted by zenkidori

A very vauge and poorly worded querstion, but in a word, no.

I'm glad you posted a well thought out (and nicely spelled) answer then.

Okay, here's what I mean. The center of the world was at one time Rome/Italy, then it became London/England, and now it is the US. Is the level at which the world is centered in the US rising or falling?

I'll agree that America is an empire (which is a term hotly contested). So like all empires, it eventually will fall.

Now, I don't know the exact figures at the top of my head. But both the Roman and British empires lasted a very long time. I'd argue that the American empire only really came to fruition post-WW2

Scott · April 2nd, 2006, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Firecat

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Originally Posted by Ultra_Kool_Dude

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Originally Posted by zenkidori

A very vauge and poorly worded querstion, but in a word, no.

I'm glad you posted a well thought out (and nicely spelled) answer then.

Okay, here's what I mean. The center of the world was at one time Rome/Italy, then it became London/England, and now it is the US. Is the level at which the world is centered in the US rising or falling?

I'll agree that America is an empire (which is a term hotly contested). So like all empires, it eventually will fall.

Now, I don't know the exact figures at the top of my head. But both the Roman and British empires lasted a very long time. I'd argue that the American empire only really came to fruition post-WW2

Don't empires by definition seek out lands to conquer?

matt_shaw · April 2nd, 2006, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ssnapier

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Originally Posted by matt_shaw

n0o0bs canada is soo the next world leader

Now remember I live in Canada. All the crack heads are in the USA, we just smoke marijuana up here.

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1695/iecrack0hh.png

Firecat · April 2nd, 2006, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ssnapier

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Originally Posted by Firecat

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Originally Posted by Ultra_Kool_Dude

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Originally Posted by zenkidori

A very vauge and poorly worded querstion, but in a word, no.

I'm glad you posted a well thought out (and nicely spelled) answer then.

Okay, here's what I mean. The center of the world was at one time Rome/Italy, then it became London/England, and now it is the US. Is the level at which the world is centered in the US rising or falling?

I'll agree that America is an empire (which is a term hotly contested). So like all empires, it eventually will fall.

Now, I don't know the exact figures at the top of my head. But both the Roman and British empires lasted a very long time. I'd argue that the American empire only really came to fruition post-WW2

Don't empires by definition seek out lands to conquer?

If you look at the spread of American popular culture, and its global reach. I'd say that one doesn't have to physically conquer lands to expand ones empire.

zenkidori · April 2nd, 2006, 01:05 AM

It could go either way, it really depends on what happens in the future, but I'd say, no, we will continue to be a very influential and powerful nation for probably the rest of my natural life.

Scott · April 2nd, 2006, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Firecat

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Originally Posted by ssnapier

Don't empires by definition seek out lands to conquer?

If you look at the spread of American popular culture, and its global reach. I'd say that one doesn't have to physically conquer lands to expand ones empire.

I do not see that as "empirish" behavior, I see that as a side efect of things like the 24 hours news network and the internet.... both American claims to fame... LOL

I am dead tired from running a tiller all day so I am not putting this into terms that make much sense... I promise to return tomorrow with a much better argument... LOL

Oh yeah and touche on the pot smoking thing... images/smilies/thumbsup.gif

zenkidori · April 2nd, 2006, 05:20 AM

not only American culture has spread, all cultures have spread around the globe, and in fact American culture is just an amalgam of many cultures, we don't really have one of our own. this is a global age, and lines are constantly being blurred, moved and erased.

just look at how asian culture and even european culture has spread.

SiR_dude · April 5th, 2006, 04:20 PM

American culture != McDonalds !?!?!!? images/smilies/eek.gif

I wouldn't say the US will fall, but I agree with some others, I think China, India, etc. will begin to play a much bigger role in the global sandbox in the future.

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zenkidori Banned For Trolling Joined: Jun 12th, 2005 Last Online: November 15th, 2007 Location: A mile high...and then some Posts: 4,809 Car: RX-7, Jeep Cherokee Rep Power: 0	A very vauge and poorly worded querstion, but in a word, no.

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hajj Joined: Mar 29th, 2005 Last Online: 09:05 PM Location: Rotterdam, Netherlands Posts: 1,648 Rep Power: 18	My bets are on India, but China is also very likely to become the next "leader". Both countries have good growth rates, but there are factors which are often not considered which make India better off. At the moment the US are probabaly at the highest level they have ever been, even though they have a conservative, limiting and highly influencial religious movement which is limiting innovation in area's such as cloning, human tissue and stem cell research. Innovation was one key element which made the US big and a drop here would set it back quite a bit. Politically I do not see a breakdown happening so quickly, nobody would step up to the US anyway or it's another World War which would reorder the whole world anyway. __________________ Global Warming isn't working - I am FREEZING!!

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zenkidori Banned For Trolling Joined: Jun 12th, 2005 Last Online: November 15th, 2007 Location: A mile high...and then some Posts: 4,809 Car: RX-7, Jeep Cherokee Rep Power: 0	It could go either way, it really depends on what happens in the future, but I'd say, no, we will continue to be a very influential and powerful nation for probably the rest of my natural life.

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zenkidori Banned For Trolling Joined: Jun 12th, 2005 Last Online: November 15th, 2007 Location: A mile high...and then some Posts: 4,809 Car: RX-7, Jeep Cherokee Rep Power: 0	not only American culture has spread, all cultures have spread around the globe, and in fact American culture is just an amalgam of many cultures, we don't really have one of our own. this is a global age, and lines are constantly being blurred, moved and erased. just look at how asian culture and even european culture has spread.

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SiR_dude Joined: Mar 5th, 2004 Last Online: November 11th, 2008 Location: Somewhere in rural Ontario, Canada Posts: 3,640 Car: 2000 Civic SiR Rep Power: 24	American culture != McDonalds !?!?!!? I wouldn't say the US will fall, but I agree with some others, I think China, India, etc. will begin to play a much bigger role in the global sandbox in the future.

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