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| Banned By Request | Quote:
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| Banned For Trolling Joined: Jun 12th, 2005 Last Online: November 15th, 2007 Location: A mile high...and then some Posts: 4,809
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| Politically Charged Joined: Mar 23rd, 2005 Last Online: 04:51 PM Posts: 3,614
Rep Power: 28 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | If Castro knew this information, it begs the question...who was behind the plot? If true, it obviously wasn't just some Joe Schmo.
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| Joined: Dec 11th, 2006 Last Online: 09:31 PM Location: Manhattan, Kansas Posts: 2,336
Car: '78 Ford, '74 Yamaha, '74 Honda Rep Power: 26 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Definitely. And why would Cuba put this out there now? Are they hoping to give some presidential candidates the idea of lifting trade restrictions? |
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| Banned For Trolling Joined: Jun 12th, 2005 Last Online: November 15th, 2007 Location: A mile high...and then some Posts: 4,809
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| True Viking Joined: May 26th, 2005 Last Online: 09:06 AM Location: Norway Posts: 2,839
Rep Power: 19 ![]() ![]() ![]() | Well, first of all, I get the impression that Cuba is very good when it comes to intelligence via persons. Secondly, it might have been a gesture to get the blockade lifted. After all, if one was to justify the blockade, then the US has to stop all trade with dictatorships. First of all, it's time the US begun a blockade of Saudi Arabia, and deny all trade with the Saudis. C'mon, do it! Freedom for all!
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| Banned For Trolling Joined: Jun 12th, 2005 Last Online: November 15th, 2007 Location: A mile high...and then some Posts: 4,809
Car: RX-7, Jeep Cherokee Rep Power: 0 ![]() | it's not a blockade, it's an embargo. also, it's not an embargo against dictators, it's an embargo against Cuba. now, I'm not for the embargo, but seriously now, you can't paint with such broad strokes, especially in politics. if I remember my english 1010 that's either straw man or association fallacy. |
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| Joined: Dec 11th, 2006 Last Online: 09:31 PM Location: Manhattan, Kansas Posts: 2,336
Car: '78 Ford, '74 Yamaha, '74 Honda Rep Power: 26 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Lol, well Saudi Arabia never held a nuclear gun to our head. But I do believe the trade embargo should be lifted, from the sound of things life there is shit anyway, lifting the embargo is the least we can do; from a humanitarian perspective. |
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| True Viking Joined: May 26th, 2005 Last Online: 09:06 AM Location: Norway Posts: 2,839
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I am fully capable of understanding why the United States doesn't bomb Saudi Arabia, that's my whole point. My point is, that the United States has no morals and no standards in international politics. And it really hurts the idea of the US as a democracy on wheels. Quote:
As a result, the obvious trade partner, the United States, didn't want to trade. That forced Castro into the arms of Khrutsjov. Castro didn't have much of a choice, and after all, the missile crisis happened not long after the Bay of Pigs. So who's to blame? Go figure.
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| Banned For Trolling Joined: Jun 12th, 2005 Last Online: November 15th, 2007 Location: A mile high...and then some Posts: 4,809
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I don't much like that idea. IMO democracy and political, religious, and economic freedom come "when you're ready" and you have to work for them. Name one country in all of history that was handed a democracy and succeeded. There aren't any as far as I can tell, which is why I don't think it's going to work, running around and setting up democracies around the globe and just leaving them alone. If they don't fight for it themselves then I just don't see it working. Now what we're doing in Afghanistan I really think is a good thing. Even though the country isn't as well off as we'd like it to be, there are actual schools where girls can get an education, clinics being built, etc. but after we get rid of the nutters I think we should leave it for them to run. The only other way I can see the "democracy on wheels" working is if we start making places US commonwealths, which presents even more problems. | ||
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| True Viking Joined: May 26th, 2005 Last Online: 09:06 AM Location: Norway Posts: 2,839
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And if that's not what the US is after, Iraq was just a war of aggression? You know, the type of war which Herman Göring was sentenced to death for. Quote:
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| Banned For Trolling Joined: Jun 12th, 2005 Last Online: November 15th, 2007 Location: A mile high...and then some Posts: 4,809
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I'm not sure that's a good example, the Nazi regime can't really be compared to any other dictatorship in history, and it took the concerted effort of most of the world powers to smash it. Quote:
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Someone posted an article written by an Canadian soldier on here, read that. Try and torrent the show "Lifting the Veil" talk to soldiers, etc. I think the fact that there are women getting an education speaks volumes just by itself. Women still have it very hard, but that one thing to me shows that there is hope for the future. That's one of the problems with being spread so thin, but having these "warlords" that we can more or less control(they're dependent on us, and thus try to cooperate somewhat) is better than some alternatives. not perfect by all means. | |||
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The US weapons manufacturers make a LOT of money off of people being at war. Quote:
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| Politically Charged Joined: Mar 23rd, 2005 Last Online: 04:51 PM Posts: 3,614
Rep Power: 28 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Quote:
There is an interesting debate about whether Iraq is better off without Hussein, and that is going to all come down on whether the violence quells. I agree with your last point. You can't really impose a politcal change from outside as well as an actual revolution can motivate the masses. I'd say that it would have been the best move in Iran as well, but the United States is lacking so much credibility, that supporting an Iranian revolution may not be as effective as it might once have. I'm pro-democracy. I want to see Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan...and many other nations change. But back to my original point, I don't think the United States has much to gain from this.
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| Banned For Trolling Joined: Jun 12th, 2005 Last Online: November 15th, 2007 Location: A mile high...and then some Posts: 4,809
Car: RX-7, Jeep Cherokee Rep Power: 0 ![]() | That may indeed be true. Why set up a buddy who might be your friend and pay you back down the road when you can set up someone you can force to be your friend? My hope would be that since we were instrumental in setting up the democracy, that would forge strong ties between the two countries, benefiting both. of course we do make fun of the French quite often... |
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| Politically Charged Joined: Mar 23rd, 2005 Last Online: 04:51 PM Posts: 3,614
Rep Power: 28 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | The USA has good relations with Germany and Japan too. Hmmm....what year did those fences begin to mend?
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| True Viking Joined: May 26th, 2005 Last Online: 09:06 AM Location: Norway Posts: 2,839
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War is hell, and it is. I've talked to some guys who was in Lebanon in the 80s. He was one of the guys in the Norwegian UN camp in Lebanon which got bombarded by Israeli artillery, actually. War is hell, that's the insight I got from him. And besides that, I still think wars of aggression are wrong. One thing I will always be wondering about, is why the US didn't back up the resistance in 91. Guess we'll know more in 20 years or something. Quote:
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And what about the women?
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| .sa = bad driver! | Er, they get free university and health care too. Granted, my university is male-only (much to the chagrin of the students ), but other ones are for both genders.
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| True Viking Joined: May 26th, 2005 Last Online: 09:06 AM Location: Norway Posts: 2,839
Rep Power: 19 ![]() ![]() ![]() | What about freedoms such as driving a car, riding a bike and dressing the way the want? I don't know if women can vote in Saudi Arabia, can they?
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